North Idaho imports nuts
By Michael O’Donnell
North Idaho must have a magnetic pull that attracts elements in the social periodic table that are extremely dense.
People who are a few protons short of functioning in real life flock to the isolation of the rugged thumb of land between the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness Area and the Great White North.
The magnetic field is surging again as a group from Maryland is proposing to build a walled community called The Citadel on several thousand acres near St. Maries.
On their website, www.iiicitadel.com, developers for The Citadel exalt the virtues of living in “an affordable, safe, well-prepared, patriotic community where your children will be educated in school rather than indoctrinated.”
There is a caveat.
“Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles,” the website states.
To help define what types of folks will be welcomed at the complex, the group says via its website that it’s looking for: “Patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of liberty — the rifle — are prudent measures.”
It’s probably no coincidence that the main financial backing for this new North Idaho venture is coming from III Arms Co., an AR-15 rifle manufacturing firm that also builds semi-auto .45-caliber pistols. The gun company’s motto is simple: “Made by Patriots – Made for Patriots.”
Hopefully the target of these weapons will not be anyone deemed to be unpatriotic (see Marxists, socialists, liberals and establishment Republicans).
And like so many groups before them, the Citadel-lites are setting themselves up for confrontation with you guessed it – the government.
The group’s website promises “zero property taxes.”
Unless the Benewah County assessor has credentials signed by Thomas Jefferson it might be best if he never sets foot in that shangri la of freedom driven by firepower.
Whether or not this latest poke at the fabric of modern society actually takes root in the hills of Idaho is anyone’s guess. As my father-in-law used to say, “Talk is cheap. It takes money to buy whiskey.”
Buying a small parcel and putting up a shack in the middle of nowhere can be done on the cheap. Organized developments with water, sewer, schools, self-contained law enforcement, fire protection and recreational opportunities cost big bucks. Just ask Mayor Brian Blad.
But at first blush living in isolation, bathed in the fear of a collapsing civilization might sound inviting to some folks. They could make Idaho a real “battleground state.”
Over the years, these odd elements of society have given Idaho some pretty twisted publicity. Ruby Ridge, the Aryan Nations Compound outside Hayden Lake and the ill-fated Almost Heaven complex developed by ex-Green Beret Col. Bo Gritz — who shot himself in the chest with a .45 during a messy divorce — were nesting places for the disenfranchised during the 1990s.
Ruby Ridge was home to Randy Weaver and one of the worst examples of federal law enforcement run amok. In 1992 a siege on Weaver’s cabin by federal agents for an alleged gun violation led to the shooting deaths of a federal agent and Weaver’s wife and son. Weaver and his family had simply moved to the remote mountains to home school their kids and survive what he felt was an impending apocalypse.
What they got was national publicity and tragedy.
They also got about a $3 million wrongful death settlement from the federal government.
When the Rev. Richard Butler set up his Aryan Nations compound he just planned on raising a crop of skinheads and spewing hatred and lead at the resident population of squirrels. Then he dreamed big. He started inviting others of his ilk to what he liked to call the Aryan Nations World Congress.
Money got a little tight and members of his group started robbing banks in nearby Washington State. Other members harassed the local Native American population at gunpoint and ended up losing a lawsuit for $6.3 million – essentially recessing Butler’s congress forever.
As for Gritz’s Almost Heaven, it was never even close to Pearly Gates status. What started as a 1,000-acre development for “patriotic” Americans in Idaho County soon became a destination for the disturbed. Gritz himself said it best in a story that appeared in the Casper Star Tribune back in 2004.
“There were about six individuals who were looking for armageddon, and if it didn’t come, they were going to cause it,” Gritz was quoted in the story.
As trouble grew, so did resistance to buying property in Almost Heaven. Gritz bailed and so did others as conservative Idaho residents grew intolerant of the extremists.
Finding a nice place to wait for the world to end isn’t easy — even in Idaho.
Michael H. O’Donnell is the assistant managing editor of the Idaho State Journal.
By NBC’s Mark Murray
As Washington prepares for a political battle over the Obama White House’s proposals to curb gun violence after the Newtown, Conn., shootings, a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that the National Rifle Association is more popular than the entertainment industry.
Forty-one percent of adults see the NRA — the nation’s top gun lobby — in a positive light, while 34 percent view it in a negative light.
By comparison, just 24 percent have positive feelings about the entertainment industry, and 39 percent have negative ones.
The NRA’s fav/unfav score is virtually unchanged from its 41 percent-to-29 percent rating in the Jan. 2011 NBC/WSJ poll, nearly two years before the Newtown shootings.
“That seems to me to be a pretty remarkably stable figure,” says GOP pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted this survey with Democratic pollster Peter Hart.
But stick with nuts in your neck of the woods.
The mo’s like Dr will always find a gun happy screwball to come up with some goof ball figures like how may Americans believe the world was created in seven days. The only problem with the theory is that god seperated the light from the darkness on the first day but waited until the third day to create the sun. Now if that don’t boogle the mind nothing will, but to mind’s like DR it is the treetop gospel.For his statistics he quotes an
intervie of the Wall Street Journal who conducted a poll of five Texas steers and a mo
hillbilly and three mo’s and a half of a steer
clomped their paws and said hee and so came up with a poll.
The only real problem with a poll from a mo and a steer is which one has the gun. The mo’s use it on a hot Texas Sunday afternoon
to shoot flies off the family water-melon, while they screaming to keep the kids out of the road. They always come up missing a couple
because the steers can’t keep out of the road either.
North Idaho imports nuts ?
Hell south eastern Idaho sprouts them like weeds. Just read some of the gun toting Birthers posts, beyond racial idiocy at times to despicable.
Mr. Ranger.
Notice any of the photos of the Birthers gun toting rallies over the weekend supposedly supporting the Second Amendment and the NRA ?
First of all seems just a little to coincidence they just happen to be on the Martin Luther King weekend and during President Obama inauguration.
A bunch of Birthers just happened to hold hate rallies on the same days, hmmmmmmm, really.
Also in all them photos ,not one African American, not one Hispanic Amerian , not one Native American , just Birthers.
Make Y’all wonder just who was polled on them there 42 percent NRA polls that the Grand wizard is so proud of ?
The 6000 year young earth theory was invented by James Ussher, an Anglican bishop in the 16th century. His calculations are erroneously based on genealogies alone. And no, he was never LDS, was he? It’s also not part of LDS teachings either, go figure. God rested on the 7th one, seems it’s been going on per some for over 6,000 years now and isn’t over yet. You don’t want to know what signals it’s ending, not even remotely.
Nowhere does the Bible give any indication of the age of the earth, unless you are part of the Christian Taliban and read the Bible like a Muslim reads the Qur’an. Then anything is possible. First part of the Qur’an is the Old Testament for those of you not in the know. A day is never defined, just that in God’s time frame it’s a long period of time in comparison.
Christians are free to accept a 6 day creation story, but most are also free to accept that God uses evolution and the creation process took many billions of years. What Christians cannot accept is atheistic evolution, which basically states we do not have souls. But I can make an exception for Ranger, he hasn’t displayed evidence of a soul in a long time. Unless a soul in torment counts.
James Ussher (sometimes spelled Usher) (4 January 1581 – 21 March 1656) was Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland between 1625–1656. He was a prolific scholar, who most famously published a chronology that purported to establish the time and date of the creation as the night preceding Sunday, 23 October 4004 BC, according to the proleptic Julian calendar.
I suspect God didn’t have a copy when he started his work, couldn’t wait how long for it to some out? Probably had no clue how many problems that would entail for Ranger. The Julian calendar was the calendar in predominant use in most of Europe from 45 BC until it was superseded by the Gregorian calendar commencing in 1582, although it continued to be used as the civil calendar in some countries into the 20th century. So for 4,000+ years what did those people use and the answer is lots of things, most of which were guesses and not accurate. Seems they couldn’t agree on the same starting point for one obvious problem.
So, you still don’t and can’t produce the original but insults and name calling prove what? Ah, yes, the sad state those who start things they can’t finish but don’t have the common sense to stop when they’re behind?
Oh, try this one on for size, time started when Adam & Eve were made mortal. Otherwise no need for time at all. Go figure. All of the mathematical equations contain time as a factor but what if time hadn’t yet started? Just to start a new argument. Seems if you’re immortal time is not required. You never age, and what order you do things in doesn’t matter to anyone but a guy name Ranger, 6,000 years too late to complain about it.
Oh, native americans weren’t Americans, it was before the land was called America. So what do you call them back then, before it was America? Native foggy bottoms? You’re either American or you never will be. Hyphenated people are neither.
That the best you two can regurgitate up?
You two are the best advertising that the NRA and a bunch of people could have. Keep it up. The memberships are rolling in and in large numbers per among other NBC and The Wall Street Journal for two discredited sources in your world.
You’re right what does NBC & The Wall Street Journal know? Not much but that won’t stop you from quoting them when something you believe in pops up on their pages, will it?
Don’t let me interrupt you two’s self idolization exchange. Someone needs to encourage your lack of whatever it is you think you’ve written about. Go for it, you two.
Christians are free to accept a 6 day creation story, but most are also free to accept that God uses evolution and the creation process took many billions of years. What Christians cannot accept is atheistic evolution, which basically states we do not have souls.”
So what you are saying my irridite theologian is that theology is simply a matter of mental
acceptance or rejection, something like Santa Claus lives at the North Pole. All questions are valid in that case. Why the North Pole as opposed to the South Pole? probably because reindeer don’t live at the South Pole an isolated continent.
And your time argument boggles the imagination.
How many solar systems in the Milky Way? How many Galaxies in the known Universe? How many Universes are there beyond this one. You claim you know of a god that is infinite that existed presumably before time began. That in effect your god created time, that time itself has a beginning. And following your definition if time has a beginning it must also have an end, which is impossible and nothing but a mental configuration or in your case mental masturbation with a low sperm count.
You are your own worst enemy Dr. problem being you don’t know it. Simply because according to your theory god is a mental phenomenon and as such is unessential. basically what it amounts to is that this Universe does not need a god to explain it.
Your God is nothing more than a presented explanation to pacify the insecurities of finite minds. People like yourself who still need the comfort of the womb to mentally survive.
God, the supernatural, seven days and seven nights, these are all cultural configurations.
Like you have stated Christians are free to accept evolution because it was all part of the plan that took billions of years. how convenient, how adaptable. But the truth it it is a total contradiction toany and all beliefs. If evolution is true then god is unnecessary, and if god is unnecessary, other than being a cultural tent pole, then you are left stranded with the paranormal’s.
I’ve had some time to socialize with the people of Virginia, and they shared with me their perception of Idahoans: a bunch of skinhead racists. Their perception was not meant to be mean, just that it is what it is even if they (as Virginians) acknowledged that their view is limited in scope.
I would hope that residents of St. Marie and the rest of the state at large will exercise every legal means to encourage these knuckleheads to build their compound somewhere else. Their ideology does not apply to a state with some of the best people on the planet who deserve a better reputation than the one they’ve got.
Ranger,
Can’t wrap yourself around logic very well can you?
Time began when man became mortal, otherwise no reason for time. We started time. And when we return to an immortal state there will be no need for it again. But beyond your ability to conceptualize? There is a time for mortal probation, don’t waste yours.
No convenience, nothing to adapt to. Just logical. Indeed there are how many solar systems and how many other galaxies in this one universe? Multiple universes, also a possibility. And the limits on the size of this one, seems there are none. Wrap yourself around that concept. All concepts that boggle limited human minds that are living lives relegated to the 4 senses at best. I’d quote you the scriptures that applies but you didn’t do well with the last ones. Moses had a hard time with it too until he stopped arguing and accepted the obvious.
Anything in your world can be turned into a anti-mo screed. You claim to be Catholic, why do you never bother to shove that faiths tenets my way in answer. Perhaps because they don’t bother to delve into things like this for reasons I’m sure you can turn into an insult. Lots of Catholics that I know that have questions that their faith never answers.
No, you’ll die one of these days, we all do and you’ll go kicking and screaming into something you can’t argue with and have made no attempt to understand. Hope there is someone there to guide you otherwise, you’ll not make much progress on your own. I’m not available to help you, I’m having a hard time as it is, just on here.
“irridite”? Try er·u·dite
/ˈer(y)əˌdīt/
Adjective
Having or showing great knowledge or learning.
Nobody ever accused me of the opposite, so thanks for the compliment. Some on here have it and some never will. If you believe that we made a deliberate choice to come to the family we did, why did you throw it all away? Free agency does have limits and you try them all? I know some very fine members of the Call family. You’re the exception to them.
In answer to your previous conundrum. First matter unorganized, then organized, then the problem of “rotation” (“the reference to divide”), rotate about a common point, the light began with the accumulation of sufficient matter to initiate nuclear fusion. And yes, in different sequences, if one came before the other life would have had a very hard time finding a home here in this universe. Division and firmament don’t come in the same sequence. Capeche? If no nuclear fusion then no light either? One big dark mass for eternity, humanity goping around in absolute zero darkness? Brrrrr!!!! Dang, no BBQ either.
If evolution is true, then it might just be part of God’s plan. You’d make an excellent atheist of the worst kind. You and Madalyn would have had arguments going nowhere for eternity. But then you have the power to limit God, that must be a heady power to have?
Days going and I’m not.
ike,
Can I send you some “Republic of Texas” people to join your people, probably bring the whole place to a standstill in fast order? More than one way to skin a cat.
Last time they raised their heads down here we loaded up the National Guard tanks and headed their way and they gave up before the tanks rolled out of the Armory storage. Worked for us.
I suspect you’ll have to be known for them, whether you like it or not, we’re always reminded of the equivalents down here and they’re nowhere to be found at present.
Got a “new zion” down here presided over by a “pedophile prophet” presently in prison for probably the rest of his life. He’s not doing well per the pundits but his people still hang on to what, we’re not sure.
Might be best just to ignore them, they love free advertising.
Ike -
Nobody ever dares mention the fact, but the truth is that the Idaho panhandle attracts nut cases of that stripe because it is the only place in the U.S. where the population of black folks is zero.
The only way we’d ever get away from that “perception” Virginians have is for the state to pay several black families to move up there.
DR
Thank-you for proving my point. According to your theory before you were born time did not exist and after your gone time will cease to exist. As you see it the only justification for time is whether or not you can measure it.
But I have some news for you. Time is relative.
A light year is a total different measurement
thanthe 365 day calendar.
And you base your conclusion on a supposition rather than any logic. Life after death is a religious- cultural configuration. It has nothing to do with reality. It is a mental construct pure and simple. It is only what you ‘think’ it is, nothing more and certainly nothing less. When something is a mental construct or a figment of your imagination and has no graphic correlation to reality then it is simply that a figment of your imagination.
Because others of like mind believe the same figment does not make the figment or mental construct anymore than what it is.
In fact the mental construct is nothing more than an exercise in languaGE, SUCH AS –gOD CREATED THE WORLD IN SEVEN DAYS— and then we are all free to decide what that means.
IKE
Their ideology does not apply to a state with some of the best people on the planet who deserve a better reputation than the one they’ve got.”
“Some of the best people on the planet”
How do you define that?
D.R.,
You can keep your Republic of Texas people. You are welcome to them.
Archie Low came to College station with his body guard and they were was arrested for not having a valid Texas drivers license and carrying a concealed weapon(1911 .45 ACP) while I was on night shift.
The Republic of Texas folks threatened to come break them out of jail, but the threat never materialized. I had to miss two days of work at TAMU, just in case they tried to make good on their threat.
When my family moved back to Idaho most of the Leadership and brainless followers of the Republic of Texas MOvement were in prison for assault with deadly weapons and trying to impound all the money in Texas banks on the premise that the money belonged to the Republic of Texas.
I thought they were finally put out of buisiness. Have they started to rise again?
Ranger,
Use whatever metric you want to use. Work ethic, common decency, common respect, charitable nature, etc. Having traveled around the globe a few times, and having a tremendous respect for cultures at large, I still feel a tremendous pride for the shear simple goodness of Idahoans as a whole.
Stucki,
But aren’t people from the state somewhat irritated by this racist label? I once got to know a lady from Seattle who moved to the state because she heard it was cheaper to live here. I asked her how she liked it since she moved in. She said, “I hate it. People here are so racist.” I was confused by this. It wasn’t more than a month later that I ran into one of the very few black people that claims residency in this state, Michael Strickland. I asked him about this. He just shrugged his shoulders and said something like, “sure, there are a couple knuckleheads here and there, but having lived in other parts of the country, these are some of the least racist people I know.”
DR,
Yup. Texas shares many of the same labels. Too bad it’s a tiny vocal minority that drives the talking points for the cable news channels.
Smokey Merkley,
The last I hear of them was the incident where we loaded up the tanks and they needed their diapers changed. Haven’t heard from them since.
Ranger,
Indeed time is relative. Relative to who you are and where you are and what you are.
Remember a gentleman named Einstein whose theories produced some huge changes in thinking. Seems he was always looking for a “unified field” theory to tie everything together. Unfortunately, for him he never found it. But don’t stop looking even if it’s possible there is no such thing or not.
Light years is a definition of the distance light travels in a vacuum with no disturbances. Every heard of “refractive index”
re·frac·tive in·dex
Noun
The ratio of the velocity of light in a vacuum to its velocity in a specified medium.
So, speed of light is relative to the specified medium it travels through? So if energy and mass doesn’t change, what is left in the equation to change? Yup, that one.
In optics the refractive index or index of refraction n of a substance (optical medium) is a dimensionless number that describes how light, or any other radiation, propagates through that medium. It is defined as
n=\frac{c}{v},
where c is the speed of light in vacuum and v is the speed of light in the substance. For example, the refractive index of water is 1.33, meaning that light travels 1.33 times as fast in vacuum as it does in water. The refractive index of the space between your left ear and right ear is the definition of division by ZERO is undefined and not possible. No light ever goes there, is that the conclusion we’re theorizing?
The historically first occurrence of the refractive index was in Snell’s law of refraction, n1sinθ1= n2sinθ2, where θ1 and θ2 are the angles of incidence of a ray crossing the interface between two media with refractive indices n1 and n2.
By far, Einstein’s best-known equation is “E=mc2 – energy equals mass times the velocity of light squared.” According to this equation, any given amount of mass is equivalent to a certain amount of energy, and vice versa. So, in more massive media, less energy? But all relative?
We all have some idea of what mass and energy are, and can appreciate that either can be converted into the other. Einstein’s equation even tells us how much of one potentially converts into how much of the other. But what exactly does the speed of light have to do with either matter or energy? How does the speed of light, of all things, come into the picture at all? Yes, please do explain all this potential?
The answer turns out to be one of the easiest to follow of all Einstein’s derivations. When Einstein derived the relation of mass to energy, he had already demonstrated how time is a direction much like the directions of space, and how the distance and time intervals between events depend on one’s frame of reference, which changes as one changes velocity. He also found that other things depend on one’s frame of reference in a similar manner, such as the strengths of electric and magnetic force fields. The way electric and magnetic fields depend on frames of reference gave Einstein a road to what he called “a very interesting conclusion.”
So TIME is a direction? Quaint, you seem to be headed in the wrong direction, dude? Changes as does your “frame of reference”? Whoa? Dude write a post calling Einstein for what you perceive him to be. Whatever that is.
Here, read it all. http://www.osti.gov/accomplishments/nuggets/einstein/speedoflight.html
It’s not a conclusion, it’s a journey we all find ourselves on, some of who get their act together and do well and other who never will get a clue and remain clueless. Commonly referred to as those who waste their ‘potential’ among other things.
Life before birth makes sense otherwise we’re something from nothing and life after death makes sense because nothing this complex could “just” happen, the math of it being such is not there. Not a theory, more than a conclusion, more like common sense.
Yes, you’re free to decide what it means? Go for it. Hope it makes you happy and satisfied you know what and where is awaiting you. Good luck in YOUR hereafter.
Oh, they ran an experiment in the CERN thingamajigger in Europe and per the results the particles arrived before they should have, which per theory should not have happened. Last I heard no one could offer an explanation but they needed more money to try more things which will probably pose more questions they hadn’t thought about. Higgs boson has stymied Catholics who have found that they can’t have Mass without it. But they’re sure they’ve found it but it won’t show up at press conferences, so we’ll just have to take their word for it, which comes with crossing their palms with plenty of tax payers funds. All relative and never ending.
Good luck. Your version is not going to be cheap.
DR,
I must admit that was a fine attempt. I never said you didn’t know anything; I have only said that what you think you know is purely a matter of perspective. A perspective after all is basically the issue. We can assume that
light is the fastest thing in the Universe at 186,000 miles perhour. And light does not slow its speed when as you say it becomes refractive. But the entire scope is based on refraction isn’t it? Because outside of our small solar system or even within it, nothing trvels in a straight line. Why? Because everything is in motion And if the Solar system is any indiction at all then the closer truth is that everything is circular rather than straight.
If everything in the Universe is circular, then unlike a straight line which exists nowhere but in theory and Euclidian geometry, but even that is vague, Lines are vague to say the least, then there is no beginning and no end.Where is the start point on a circle?
That the only thing that does happen is change.
That the Universe was not created but that it changed from one state to another: that the Universe is in a constant state of change, as we live at this moment suns are being formed and suns are dying somewhere in the Universe.
Constantly and continually forever and ever and ever ad infinitum. Our sun will die, our galaxie will die, but it will go on to make up other solar systems and other galaxies.
Unfortunately the human soul is not immortal as you would like us to suppose. It is illogical. That supposes a nonmaterial parallel universe composed of gist or spirit.
For this there is the simple question of “Why”
Why would a non material gist parallel Universe exist. There is no need. It is illogical and unessential to explain life on this planet.
We assume human life is intelligent life. But that is a relative statement as well. Considering that writing itself is barely six thousand years old and the modern species of man is one hundred thousand years old that hardly is a good recommendation for intelligence of any demension. That it took human beings 96,000 years to develop a writng system–knowing full well that humans have the same cranium cpacity today, than they did 100,000 years ago. Which is interesting in itself considering that mankind did not begin to make the effort to bury the dead at all until roughly 30,000 years ago and even that was limited.
But animism has always been a part of the spirit world as configurations on cave art show, so the concept of soul has always been synonymous with the life force. What happens to it?
You say the man soul goes to a parallel universe. What about the dog or the horse or even a fish. Do little doggies go to heaven?
No early on we realize either we all go or nobody goes. And why do they go and where do they go.
You say God is the Master designer. But that only assumes that the Universe needs a design.
And that leaves us with the complication of life on planet earth. But most scientist now believe that we are totally and completely alone. That we are the only life in the Universe, and we are all that will ever be.
Life on this planet has had more than one near miss of being wiped out completely, but it is still here. And it is only the collective intelligence of the human race that will allow us to survive the end of the solar system. But again too many believe we won’t make it. Indeed the odds are against us. So in the end it is not the dimension of a parallel universe
that defines a figment. It is the deveopment of this one.
So a realistic moral definition of the human adventure in not the survival of the individual
so often described in the soul and afterlife nomenclature—but in reality the death of such a theory. It is counterproductive and not in tune with the energy needed to eastablish the rigid direction for the survival of the species. The survival of the species is within itself the highest and only true moral question that mankind needs to address with the utmost urgency.
Ranger,
Much better reply sir.
You said: “And light does not slow its speed when as you say it becomes refractive.” With all due respect the definition of refraction is speed inside versus speed outside, so indeed it does change speed, it’s a number reflecting the change.
You also said: Light is the fastest thing in the universe at 186,000 miles an hour. Read this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/sep/22/faster-than-light-particles-neutrinos This is the one I referred to that at present I don’t believe they have a good explanation for, so until they do, then neutrinos might just be faster or???? If you can stop time, then you can go unbelievably fast as time only slows you down. You can also be in more than one place at one time which per scientists say is impossible until recently. One of he experiments to prove it, didn’t turn out the way they thought it did. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/09/us-nobel-physics-quantum-idUSBRE8980V620121009 But what does Nobel know?
You said: science says we’re alone. Nope. Reason says that makes no sense. Ever seen a full blown Lamborghini, I have, my son used to work on them, got to drive one once, shhh, don’t tell the boss. Open the engine compartment of that machine and see all the complexity that comes together and tell me it had no designer. Do the same thing with creation, open the engine bay of the universe and tell me all the complexity just happened. How many years would you have to wait for a fully optioned Lambo to suddenly show up on a world with no roads, no gas, no oil, you get the idea. No, this universe we observe is far, far too complex to have just happened and that we’re alone in it decries reason. Do you know what the mathematical odds of all that is, dividing by zero is easier.
Speaking of parallel universes, there one here right next to us that we don’t realize it’s here. It can see us but we can’t see it. Goes by the all inclusive term Heaven. Seems a bunch of “spirits” revolted and got cast down from there to here. You know who they are. They can have their way with you, if you let them. Adam Lanza did apparently. Hard for some to ignore so, some don’t try.
Life on this planet came in definitive sequences, Neanderthal man is in our history but no longer here, what purpose did they serve? What purpose did Mammoths serve. Why did the dinosaurs not survive? Where did all the huge deposits of oil come from, since it normally comes from organic sources, what were they and what did this place look like while they were here? Questions, no answers but in all of this there is one thing that won’t go away. Chances are this all happened by chance aren’t even a little bit logical.
Humans are sentient, they recognize themselves, few of creation do. Explain sentience on a just happened basis. It’s going to be a dozy of an explanation. It requires something coming before. It requires a soul for one. You can’t recognize something you’ve never seen.
Indeed many of the lights in the ‘firmament’ are gone and there are probably a bunch we won’t see until their light reaches us. The lights we presently see could be billions of years old and a lot might no longer be there, true.
Explain why thing rotate in this universe, without it there would be no life. Explain why at a certain accumulation of mass that fusion begins and goes on for a very long time instead of one massive poof.
Explain how under one of the creation scenarios that everything came into being at ONE place. You have to ignore the laws of physics for that to happen as it would instantly result in one singularity called the most massive black hole ever. So the big bang would instantly become the big poof and no universe. But if you can ignore science for a certain period of time, how long I don’t know, it explains the ‘expansion’ we see every direction we look. Now the opposite their where everything came into place at one time has a problem, as then there would be no expansion, no force involved. Science sometimes makes wrong conclusions and asks wrong questions.
Old suns do change and become heavier and heavier elements as the lighter one ‘fuse’ true. But old ‘heavy’ suns don’t go away but over a huge amount of that thing you call time accumulate and it appears that process is greater at the core of galaxies and we get things call ‘black holes’ that we are only taking guesses about at present. Where do ‘black holes’ go? How do we get back to the original ‘fuel’ of the universe which is basically hydrogen from trans-uranium elements that at present don’t seem to be reversing themselves. Seems we don’t have an un-fusion process in this universe at present.
If we’re the only life in the universe, that’s beyond sad. Why stay around for the inevitable which is to disappear into nothing from whence we came? Why have families, why work to be successful, why do anything, just war with each other until both are gone? Why eat just because you’re hungry. The questions are endless. The answers aren’t all here, yet.
Why elect people to be over us, if all is fruitless? Do hyphenated creatures exist in the hereafter? I hope not.
No, there is more to this creation than you’re will to admit.
Oh, doggies go to heaven, got several waiting there for me. Lost a little 4 lb. Chihuahua that was sorely missed the first of December. She’ll greet me one day. Come meet her then, she’s a delightful creature to know.
DR
Yes definitely it is a matter of perspective.
What is the difference between mathematical intelligence and emotional intelligence. People do not say they believe in God because
it is a Mathematical proof. Their belief is based on an emotional response.
For instance:
Do the same thing with creation, open the engine bay of the universe and tell me all the complexity just happened. How many years would you have to wait for a fully optioned Lambo to suddenly show up on a world with no roads, no gas, no oil, you get the idea.”
Is this a scientific response,i.e. mathematical-or is it an emotional response?
I think most would agree that it is emotional.
The argument against the designer theory is probably more solid than there is one for a designer theory. It is simply a matter of waste.Literally billions of plants and animals have gone extinct since the emergence of life on the planet, The idea of the oil is also interesting. When you look at the early theories of the planet formation when the algae
life in the waters of the planet was immense,
when the earth was just a large expanse of thick pea green soup, when all life was carbon based-when plant life dominated because all life was carbon based–that explains the oil.
So actually like your Lamborghini, with enough
study you can explain it. And like anything else it hardly compares to a Model T for complexity.
The key is collectivity. That a group of minds can solve more problems at a faster rate
than one mind in a lab with minimal equipment.
Knowledge like the Universe itself is collective. Consider how little we do individually for our lifestyle. Hardly any people in this culture make their own clothes
or even have any rudimentary knowledge of how clothes they are made. The same goes for the food they eat. Some people have absolutely no knowledge of an automobile but yet drive one everyday. Everything that makes life what it is a collective result of all the accumulative
collective intelligence of mankind over millinium. Eating a slice of bread ignores the countless generations of seed selection that began 10,000 years ago when humans began to plant food instead of sporadic foraging. A very complicated and painstaking process of our ancestors thousands of years ago of which we enjoy the benefit of their labors today.
So there is very little we can simplify, but our finite minds continually do it to explain things. We can talk about time, but humans in this vast continuum of space not only are overwhelmed by infinity of the Universe itself,butare also overwhelmed by the infinity of time itself. It is impossible for a finite mind to understand infinity. How is it possible that there was no beginning? How is it possible that there will never be an end?
The Big bang theory only explains a present physical reality within the known Universe. The same principle may apply to other Universes
that we know nothing of: Because he all inclusive universe is infinite. There are no boundaries. The finite mind demands one, but there is none. The Universe has no beginning and no end–neither does time.
So what we are is a point in an infinite spectrum of both space and time.
Yes and we can either look it as a frightning and sad state of events, or except it for what it is and look it as an opportunity.
But what are the odds?
Collectively man can accomplish much. But collectively he can destroy more. Man is still an animal. And the reality of the cold,
dark immense universe scares the living daylights of this animal who, in his early developmental stages was a furry little creature who was nocturnal and lived in little holes in the ground. True we have come a long way in 65 million years but there is much further to go and in the words of Robert Frost,
“Miles to go before we sleep–and miles to go before we sleep.”
Ranger,
You said: What is the difference between mathematical intelligence and emotional intelligence.(?)
Would you believe it’s a matter of something called faith instead. You either have the faith in the process that you find yourself in or you question it endlessly for your entire life and never come to any valid conclusions. Your faith is buried in scientists who are now in the process of revising things they thought were 100% but weren’t. We haven’t arrived yet, we’re still on the journey.
Indeed there is multiple types of intelligence as such and some come with more of one than the other. I have a daughter who is the ex-wife of my middle son. She had the Intelligence Quotient and then some, she was the high school valedictorian of which I have two in my family. I’ll accept the blame even if I’m not the biological father of either. However, in other ways she lacked in emotional and social intelligence something horrible. It finally came down to after 22 years of trying that the entire family gave up on her for none other reason than our collective self defense was at stake. Seems when she went mania (and she did without warning)the State of Texas believed everything she said. They also then put her in a mental hospital and got her back to reality at which point she apologized profusely for what she had said previously. Then the wonderful State of Texas didn’t believe her because, “she identified with her abusers”, the family who had gone to bat for her over the years time and again. All that we needed was one idiot state investigator who believed the mentally ill woman and one of us or possibly all of us was going to jail for a mania imagined somethings that never happened. We have written rules about contact now, no one can be alone with her, always has to be another witness, preferably one not in the family for starters and very often we tell her no in no uncertain terms and stick to it.
Sometimes I wonder about you, dude. Some of your writings display some of what we experienced in her. She was bi-polar by diagnosis, not fun to be around, not even close. The multiple persona that emerged. I’ve counted 4 different ones in you, this one is OK but a couple of others babble at best and make no sense. And they pop up without warning. You’re obviously intelligent like her but sometimes it gets the best of you. Like when you turn to name calling and insults are your reply, it doesn’t serve you well.
History is not the basis of what I know although it’s there whether I believe it or not. I’m not exactly the emotional type so you can give whatever weight you want to that portion of the exercise. No, over the years and it’s coming on 70 or them very soon, I’ve gone through a lot of learning, digesting, sorting out and a lot of faith in things that aren’t easily explained and came to the conclusion as to which is right and which I can ignore. It was a long process, not finished even now. I repent often of things that are hard to accept even now.
I took on work that I finally gave up trying to find people who could teach me and taught myself over the years. Called On The Job Training or OJT for short. I left Idaho because that type of education was lacking there and from a lot of the postings on here, seems to still be the problem. Not anything particular bad, just lacking and disappointing to those who want to go beyond and find themselves in a collective pot going no place in particular.
The universe isn’t frightening or sad. I look for things to be happy about in all of creation. Got one now who is a 1 1/2 year old great granddaughter who is teaching me all over how to be something I never had growing up, a family. She teaches me that I need to re-arrange all of the drawers in my house so that when I go to find something, it’s not where I thought I had put it. The re-arranger strikes again. She good at it.
Got a yapping Hungarian Visla (sp?) outside who is my best friend even though I’m not his owner. Can’t let him inside as he and my present Chihuahua are both Alpha dogs and he’d win any contest in that arena. The little dog is a delightful creature who barks to let me know that someone they don’t recognize is coming, it’s his job. He’s good at it. The Visla is just noisy. He and I came to this understanding some time ago, I’m a bigger alpha than he is and he pays me his respects as a result. Works well for both of us. Explain ‘alpha’ in terms of math or DNA, I dare you.
True, man can accomplish much and in a heartbeat destroy the very thing they worked so hard to build. Look on life as an opportunity, good point.
Oh, I didn’t come from algae or possibly a fuzzy animal who lived in the ground, a lot of them are still here and still algae and furry animals. They serve their purpose. No, I came from something higher in the chain, with DNA so complex even today we’ve barely scratch what it is, let alone how it works. I have confidence that man will yet figure it out but if we wait for things not seen to be seen, we’ll remain blind. There’s that aspect to this life that we were put here with no knowledge of what came before and we must find out own way. “Miles to go before we sleep-and miles to go before we sleep.” True.
…so how ’bout dem skinheads up north?
ike,
Yes, we do wander, don’t I?
OK, how about ‘em?
Racist labels have become social bad jokes, those who use them guarantee it.
While we’re at it, I think I’m keeping a psych major busy somewhere trying to pull out what is going on on here.