Did Founding Fathers have crystal ball?
By Martin Hackworth
Imagine that your dad, great man that he was, had a few issues. Maybe he occasionally drank a little, perhaps he treated your mom poorly from time to time, maybe he didn’t get you the LEGO set that you wanted for your fifth birthday. You’d still love and respect him because he’s your old man, but you’d know that there were limits to his sagaciousness.
Now imagine that your dad was a bit more troubled. What if, for instance, he didn’t think that you were smart enough manage your own destiny and took steps to prevent you from doing so? What if he brought people over from a foreign country and forced them to work as indentured servants around your home? What if he had multiple affairs with women other than your mom and met his end in a fight? Now I don’t know for sure, but I suspect you might not think that he was the end all and be all of wisdom. You might even be disenchanted enough spit on the ground every time his name came up. I doubt, at any rate, that you’d spend the rest of your days deifying him and I’d be willing to bet more than I could afford to lose that you would not, under any circumstances, use his life as a test of moral turpitude and enshrine his wishes into law for all future generations.
Then why, I ask, do we as a society do every bit of the above by offering up so much devotion to the wishes of our Founding Fathers, and treating the Constitution they crafted as if it came from a burning bush?
Look, don’t get me wrong. I respect the Founding Fathers. I understand that Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton, et. al., faced enormous political obstacles yet achieved some monumentally great things. Sometimes the whole really is greater than the sum of its parts. Our founders didn’t have a crystal ball, where not omniscient and put on their pants one leg at a time just like everyone else. It’s an imperfect world – and the founders were aware of this. But the Founding Fathers seemed to have had a much better perspective on their own limitations that a lot of those who’ve followed in their footsteps. So to you strict Constitutionalists and fervent devotees to the wishes of the Founding Fathers two plus centuries later I have but one question. Are you out of your minds?
When modern day purists exhibit unwavering and rigid devotion to a series of long-in-the-tooth principles because they continue to serve us “well,” I am really curious as to exactly how they define “well?” I am to believe that the Second Amendment, written at a time when the bow and arrow and trebuchet were not yet completely out of fashion, is now supposed to contain all of the wisdom in the world concerning modern weapons and societal problems? I am supposed to take at face value the notion that the First Amendment, crafted two centuries before the Internet and Citizens United, is sacrosanct? That privacy, something that was taken for granted 237 years ago, was deliberately left unaddressed in crafting the Constitution? And further, that ideals forged when America was composed of 13 states and a population of about 3 million, when Congress had only 26 senators and 65 representatives and the Mississippi River was the West Coast, are supposed to adequately guide a modern nation of 50 states, 300+ million citizens with drones, satellites, and tactical nuclear weapons from sea to shining sea? That sort of boggles the mind when you give it some thought, doesn’t it?
When Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia recently opined that the Constitution was “dead, dead, dead,” my immediate thought was “just like your brain.” Even the framers didn’t think that highly of what they wrought. The U.S. Constitution sets up a series of checks and balances we all live by and contains, itself, a self-correcting mechanism of amendment. But there is just no way that the Framers could have envisioned how the country that they founded would grow and evolve while many of its guiding principles remained virtually static. The Constitution is supposed to have some inertia – mainly to protect the rights of the most vulnerable – but it’s not supposed to be effectively impossible to adapt.
I think that it is high time that we began to reconsider the Constitution as a living document. I’m not convinced that the Founding Fathers intended for the Constitution to be used, for instance, as an excuse to allow rich corporations an outsized influence in elections, or to allow crazy people access to weapons that they need to mow down a classroom full of school children. I don’t think the Founders would see it that way either.
Award-winning columnist Martin Hackworth of Pocatello is a physicist and the editor of MotorcycleJazz.com.
No crystal ball but don’t take freedom and prosperity for granted. The vast majority of mankind through history have lived in tyranny and misery.
Considering the flaws of “the founders” the US Constitution and Bill of Rights is even a more amazing concept and document.
Many of the failings of our society have not been that the Constitution and Bill of Rights do not have enough foresight but that they have not been applied to all our citizens.
Corporations wouldn’t “invest” in elections and legislation if “we” hadn’t made government so large and pervasive “to help & protect” , code words for control.
Martin,
It seems to me the Founding Fathers recognized they could not forsee the changes to come. Isn’t that why they created a way to amend it? And if we allows others to usurp that power, how can we say we have a Constitution.
It is not impossible to amend the Constitution, but it is supposed to be difficult. Still, I don’t think the difficulty of amending it should allow any shortcuts like we wee the Court over the years taking.
Indeed, they didn’t have a crystal ball and neither do we. Some of the “social engineering experiments” now going on will fail and miserably so given human history. But still we sit and wonder and pontificate how “imperfect flawed men” could craft a document and a Bill of Rights that transcends the years of it’s creation. Doesn’t take a crystal ball to realize that something was afoot here and it wasn’t the imperfect men who wouldn’t last. It was what they collectively put together.
When we “unequally apply” the things found therein we do those people we apply them to a terrible dis-service.
Go buy a judge who will overrule millions of voters and blame it on “imperfect men” and their document. No, considering the men involved I find the document to not have come from them but rather it came as inspiration to them, imperfect though they were.
Some never see beyond their own noses in this life.
There is not a provision in the Constitution for Executive Orders but some take Article II Section I Clause I to empower president to issue them. Originally meant to go to officers and agencies to enforce laws that resulted from Acts of Congress, they now have come to be laws that the president issues if he determines that he can’t wait for Congress. Should we now refer to that part of the constitution as that which empowers presidents to be dictators? Imperfect ones, no less? Or do we called it what it is, an abuse of the power given?
Blame it on a living document? No abuse of power, raw naked abuse, nothing more. Absolute power corrupts, something horrible.
I’ll go with the original any day, cut this abuse out and now. The original has been abused enough. Get back to the original basic ideas and stick with them.
The mentally ill people are still on the streets and causing mayhem and if we have to wait on a specific clause in the Constitution to protect us or not from them, we’ll have to pay for our inaction and going along with liberal judges and organizations that guarantee those same people wander our streets and one day go bonkers, constitutional or not constitutional. But if the solution is to make law abiding citizens criminals for the crime of defending themselves and their liberty as mentioned in a certain document, then something is horribly wrong.
Fix the problems, don’t make them worse. Don’t create new problems, we have enough as it is.
“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant: It’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
“Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about because the U.S. was too strong.” – Ronald Reagan
“I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment’s would have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.” – Ronald Reagan
And my favorite: “The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”
Sorry, Mr. Hackworth, this isn’t helpful. Not even remotely. If all you can find is imperfect men to blame, then note the one staring back at you in the bathroom mirror next time you’re in that premises. Got one on this end too. We both see things differently don’t we? Quick take a poll.
The inanity of what passes for “commentary” among the self-congratulatory liberal elite never ceases to amaze me. The lack of fundamental political cognition and awareness serves for all of us, a reminder of how true the aphorism is, “ignorance is bliss.” And it’s in abundance here.
Obviously lost to such, is the fact that a constitution, is by definition, “a body of fundamental principles or established precedents according to which a state is to be governed.” Consequently, the founding fathers didn’t need to be aware of “privacy” issues, or the internet, or any historically contextual development that may prove intellectually taxing to those who presuppose in their unwarranted arrogance, that they should have. The structure established by the Constitution created legislative bodies that could adapt to changing times, pass laws to deal with such vicissitudes, while the foundation, or fundamental principles, could endure, protecting the individual over the presumed and evolutionary expansion of the “rights” of the state.
This is a system of governance established that could stand the test of time, as long as citizens valued freedom more than tyranny. A system that, if held fast to, would assure that no one person, or oligarchical self-anointed leaders, could become totalitarians in a republic so structured.
And it included guaranteed rights and privileges, for the first time in history, not granted by a monarch, ruler, magistrate, or benevolent dictator, but acknowledged to have originated from deity for all men.
Is it a perfect system? Obviously not, especially in light of our contemporary crony-capitalism, that corrupts government and capitalism. The founding fathers maintained that for the republic to endure, we must have a moral people, which is the only real anachronism from our founding era, casting the most ominous clouds of doubt over the perpetuity of the republic.
But that system of fundamental principles upon which the country was established, was at one time, the most free, desirable, and perfect system for the protection of individual rights ever established.
And they didn’t need a “crystal ball.” They had the enlightened logic and reason of a century of classical-liberal philosophers, who idealized what the most free, ennobling, and enabling system of governance and economic democratization would be. That model was realized with the founding of America.
All of the systems of governance created since, have paled in comparison to the freedom granted, and the two centuries of unassailable economic progress manifest by this young republic.
There are about three logical fallacies engaged in here as well, questioning the validity of a Constitution formulated by imperfect men. I can’t remember the others but one is Tu quoque, which essentially asserts that since they are imperfect, what ever they may say or do is equally questionable. That would be tantamount to saying, “Because Martin is specious, illogical, and misinformed about history and our system of governance, that he’s equally inept and tenuous as a physics instructor.” Such a conclusion is obviously faulty logic, and based on false premises, just like his assertion is.
Ignorance of conventions of governance and of history, is no excuse for this kind of specious tripe, unless one wishes nothing more than to glaringly display their ignorance to the world. What is of significance, however, is the survivability of the republic so founded, based on liberty. It’s survivability is directly related to a knowledgeable and informed populace, committed to liberty, and the fundamental premises upon which our system of governance was founded. But we regrettably will not become an informed electorate by perusing inanity like this.
I felt like I had to comment when I read this load of ignorance, but you guys have pretty well covered it with your comments. THANK YOU! My high school aged student had a teacher trying to sell this some sort of stuff and my kid was the only one in the class with enough courage or knowledge to challenge her. Made me proud, but sad that nobody else spoke up.
Martin,
I agree completely with your article. If we had to write the rules today, they would different, not entirely different, but different.
For one thing, we’d make sure people understood that logical fallacies are not just those things that Richard Larsen disagrees with! – specious tripe and all!
Well isn’t that a surprise? Ferro is as ignorant of history as the Hackworth is! Little surprise as well that he’s equally bereft of the intellectual tools to repair the Hackworth’s logical fallacies. And these guys can vote! Now that’s scary! Even worse, they can publicly proclaim their ignorance, and others of the same incapacity will undoubtedly agree with them. The left’s plague of ignorance will be the end of all those freedoms they so disdain: for those in their right minds!
At least Ferro seems to realize it’s specious tripe. That’s a step in the right direction!
LFerro,
Move to Hungary where the present president lost to the electorate on a vote on some laws he wanted and so, he’s going to put them in their constitution whether they want them or not. Sound familiar? Their version of Executive Order. Or better yet go to Zimbabwe where those people voted themselves into perpetual purgatory a number of years ago. Used to export food from there, now they don’t have money to import food. Yup, somebody rewrote a bunch of stuff for them. Lots of places to consider since this place is so bad for you. Move to Egypt where I hear lots of places are coming vacant for you to move into. And we just sent them $1.5 billion to further ‘their’ version of democracy that is anything but? That version?
I can just see your version. Definitely not inspired by what I’ve seen of you over the years. Yours definitely comes from a crystal ball realm. Change the batteries in your ball, they’re dead.
Hey, you missed your chance to go with the ‘special delegation’ to Chavez’s funeral headed by none other than Jessie Jackson of dubious fame. But we can’t ask, which side he’s on? Watch me.
‘Logical fallacy’? Like, I get my way and you have to bow down to me and my wife Marie, the Antoinette type of thing? Voters can and do vote for some pretty dumb things in this world and are never the wiser.
“we’d” make sure? Just who do you include in that statement? Before or after you take their guns and force your version of nirvana on them? But you get to keep your guns to protect you from the criminals that will them have free reign to kill whomever they wish? That kind of logical fallacy?
Isn’t it time you took another vacation? You and another guy are good at that. Just don’t come back, please.
As our “CONSTITUTION” was first written in such a matter that it would work for ever, yet we get crooks in our government. They had there hands tied fore our “CONSTITUTION” had checks and balances that stopped them in their tracks of pushing their own agendas, they did not like that so they put like minded Supreme Court Judges office. That way they tare our “CONSTITUTION” apart increment at a time. Thank you Liberal Democrats, Republicans and Independents for destroying the best COUNTRY in the whole world!!!!!
We now have Congress and the Senate fighting over who gets credit for witting a law, but our Supreme Court Judges feel that they are the ones that make the laws!!!!
redneck,
You do have a good point there, sir.
Bosely’s refutation hits the nail right on the head. Hackworth almost completely ignores the part of the Constitution that allows for changes to the document to be made, underpinning the greater failing of this article. He even has to take Scalia wildly out of context to prove this point – i.e. even (dead brained) Scalia would never suggest that amendments to the constitution aren’t possible or necessary.
If Hackworth’s intent was to suggest that we take more interpretive liberties to the document, then heaven help us as the SCOTUS suddenly becomes the grand oligarchy of our nation.
Conservative , Justice Scalia said to him the 15th Amendment of the US Constitution ain’t got no concerns for him because he is white and proud.
So the 15th Amendment is not Possible to Scalia.
Justice Scalia also said the US Constitution is not a living document , IT is dead, dead , dead.
IF the US Constitution is not a living document to Scalia , then Amendments to the Constitution are not possible for Justice Scalia.
IF Amendments are not possible for the US Constitution, then all Amendments to the Constitution would be illegal.
The Second Amendment and guns would be illegal, and anyone’s right to say anything about it , the First Amendment would be illegal.
What a rambling muddle of idiocy! And a sterling example of the kinds of “minds” that agree with Ferro and Hackworth. They must be drinking buddies. Or maybe Ray M. is just Ferro with a few too many under his belt.
Ray,
Can you give me a source for the “white and proud” comment? (I’ve done searches before for people that supposedly quote other people, and it often takes me more than a 1/2 hour of thorough Google searches before I finally figure out that the person in question never said what he was accused of saying. Since I don’t have that kind of time, I’ll just ask you for the source.)
What the red-neck portion of these bloggers fail to even consider is that the Constitution as a piece of paper was and always will be an unmitigated “failure.” It did not then and does not now protect the rights of all its citizens. It was a document that served the vested interests of the ruling elite. The proof is in the pudding. Shall we begin with Andrew jackson’s “Indian Removal Policy.”
And then of course their is the Civil War that wiped out the male population in whole counties both North and South. Where was the Constitution to prevent such tragedies?
No the Constitution was then, is now, and ever shall be nothing but a piece of paper that has little or no correlation with objective political reality. That political reality was then, is now, and ever shall be defined by those in political power.
Lincoln was right because he held the reins of power.
Roosevelt was right because he held the reins of power.
Reagan was right because he holds the reins of power.
The Supreme Court rarely if ever defies the executive in office. It just isn’t done.
And because of the ambiguaous nature of the Constitution ever line is open to interpretation depending upon circumstance, such as the suspension of the “Right of Habeus Corpus” during war time. Convenient way to silence your enemies when one has an agenda to implement.
the Constitution is dead, dead , dead. Was then, is now, and ever shall be. Just a bunch of high faluting words that lawyers like to debate.
Someone just gave an excellent reasons for electing Supreme Court justices but then that now has it’s shortcomings too doesn’t it? Election didn’t resolve anything, did it?
ike,
Huffpo, Maddow all jumped on the alleged phrase. However, since the Supreme Court website never recorded it, you’re probably right about something being amiss in what was reported vs. context of what was said. That happens way too often. Only one side does it too. Clyburn is a civil right activist, not a judge. Dem rep who raced to Huffpo to vomit his disgust? Consider the source and the dump site.
http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/16310-did-scalia-really-say-that-he-was-white-and-proud
Strange only democrats and blacks took offense. Down here it has come to mean we have to look the other way when the illegals vote speaking conversely. That side finds they’re covered in the Voting Right Act too. They appear to have more right than citizens. Is suspect the drones will have a sub routine not to target them.
Every example of people claiming they were being denied the right to vote here in the state on closer examination were found to be lying. That side doesn’t do things like does it? Oh, does it ever.
White and proud because the whites put the 15th amendment in the Constitution during reconstruction, or is it being used as sarcasm to compare with the PC world we now have to accept, no choice?
Black history month, but no white history month? Proud to be black but racist to be proud to be white? Inequality Inc. at the bully pulpit. Welcome to the new incivility war being waged in this country.
DR,
You are on the right track until you make a mistake by saying, “Only one side does it too,” and everything else after your link.
Time and again you are on the verge of finishing an excellent point (the link, in particular, was spot on) only to get it ruined by tagging on a pile of really bad arguments. I’m not the only one to tell you this, but my own great failing comes in that I let it bother me so much.
DR
You are either a simpleton or a total hoot. Which is it? On the one hand you berate your detrtactors because and accuse you of playing the race card.
But that is all you ever do. This last blog is the worst and sounds like you have joined
the Aryan white Supremist and your new trupp
card is White Power.
C,mom dude you bore us to death. A country that is 85% white needs a white power sceneario
because the whites are in grave danger of losing power.
And the biggest question is that an election is supposed to “resolve” something. That statement is ambiguaous to say the least. If Romney were elceted what would be different right now in this moment in time.
Answer: Absolutely nothing. The only difference would be the sate of mind for a lot of right wingers who are out of power, and are on the eternal moan and groan rag.
How does this figure in the anti-immigration
quandrant in the state of Idaho. 85% of the
workers in the diary industry are illegals.
How does that figure? According to DR all the illegals in this country come to get food stamps. So who figured they are the ones holding up an entire industry in the State of Idaho.
Somebody lies!!!!!!
ike,
Only one side does it? This business of spin and doctor and twist words comes from only one side. I stand by what I say.
For example there are more whites than blacks on welfare for a classic example. However, if blacks only make up 11% of the population, then they’re 8X or more likely to be on welfare while being 1/9th of the populace than the corresponding portion of the ‘other’ population. Things like that. Nope, only one side does it. And they do it with a straight face fully expecting us to cave in with their superior logic that is anything by logical.
Ike.
After I saw it on the National Nightly News , I Google it — Justice Scalia , I am white and Proud.
mediate.com – nationfoxnew.com and 4800 other sites.
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John Hall.
You say it’s idiocy, prove it’s false.
ike,
Only one side does it? This business of spin and doctor and twist words comes from only one side. I stand by what I say.
For example there are more whites than blacks on welfare for a classic example. However, if blacks only make up 11% of the population, then they’re on average 5-6X or more likely to be on welfare while being 1/9th of the populace than the corresponding portion of the ‘other’ population. Things like that. Nope, only one side does it. And they do it with a straight face fully expecting us to cave in with their superior logic that is anything by logical.
You can always tell when they’re lying, their lips are moving.
Reading the links and stop there, you have my permission.
Ranger,
You bore me too. Love you too, dude. Run A. Long.
85% white and the liberal news media is publishing article after article about whites being in the minority? What minority is that, 84%? And Zimmerman was white, for how long? Quick choose your side for Obamas continuing war in the U.S.
Google: “white and proud” + “scalia” + .gov
As written, replete with “”‘s and +’s. (boolean search for those who haven’t read Googles search rule set up.)
Yup, two reference, one, huffpo and I dare you to explain the second one. Somebody really ran with it and look who it was?
I’m still waiting for the original text of what he said and in context. Note, no *.gov sites list the remark. Strange?
Some people are fooled far too easy.
So what you are saying Disgusted Reader the National News is full of BS about Scalia, along with 4800 web sites.
Tell us oh mighty idiot one, why has Scalia not come out and denied it, even on your Fox Spews ????
Fact is a US Supreme Court Justice is a White Supremacist believer.
Ray,
I pulled up 553,000 sites. The number doesn’t make a difference. As I extrapolate the information, I see no direct link to Anthony Scalia saying [this] at [this place] at [this time]. I’ve come to find out this is quite common. Some blogger/pundit, who doesn’t like a particular person, will put words into the mouth of that person, and then let the Internet (and the occasional news organization) will run wild with it as if that same particular person actually said what he/she is accused of saying.
Unless you can get me a DIRECT time/place reference, or a video, or an audio recording, or a transcript, you shouldn’t quote people. Period.
DR,
…and yet you wonder why people have so much ammo to attack you with…
Ike / Ray M. don’t fall into the trap that the Right likes to play. If it sounds ridiculous, check it out. You can usually get to the bottom of something if you are skeptical enough.
On the other hand, there’s John M. Hall. An interesting dupe if ever there was one.
ike,
You might note that most of it is made up and they’re firing blanks a lot. The ad hominem route is classic in that respect.
Name calling and insults are the bedrock of someone who has no respectable response available.
When ‘facts’ are just what they say and we have to believe it, just because, they lost the argument before it started. The conversation started with them, not me.
So where’s the URL for the “original” comment, specifically the Supreme Court website? Start with http://www.supremecourt.gov/ and give me what comes after the /. I dare you. Find it.
“supreme court website” + “white and proud” returns no hits on 3 search engines. Huffpo appears to be the origin as such.
Notice how quickly the furor disappeared? Smacks of made up at best. Lots of that in the past 4+ years. What’s next? Chavez helped elect the new pope? Oh, wait…. that’s already old news.
The new offensive in D.C. is just that ‘offensive’. Dems want a 62% increase in spending but will balance the budget in how many years?
Doesn’t seem to be getting much of anywhere does he? His defenders are shooting his down before he can even get off the ground any more.
Ferro,
The Right? Yes sir, but that’s only a half-complete statement. After some research, I find a racist quote that Justice Scalia supposedly made aren’t actually his words, but this words of one of his critics. Nevermind that. Because one of his critics said it, he (Scalia) becomes the author and the Left gets away with their usual play of the race card.
DR,
I remember a certain Andrew Breibart, one of the great champions of the conservative movement, doing an insidious video editing job that portrayed Shirley Sherrod as a racist, even if her speech were to the exact opposite. Yes, the Right behaves badly. Yes, the Right uses ad hominem attacks, including yourself which you do quite often. You are just like your ideological counterparts in that you put up your blinders and drive at whatever data you can that fits your agenda.
The tact of one side is no more righteous than the other, and it would be wise for you to recognize that.
ike,
True and he apologized too. I’m still waiting for the first apology to come out of one side.
So, got more than one example to color 100% of one side with? Good start. I’ve got a bunch with NBC, ABC, CNN and such names attached, they do it all the time it appears. I remember being at a rally down here where the democrats hammered a certain rally for signs that the democrats brought, that kind of perverse editing? One Saul Alinsky rules for radicals, blame the other side for what you did wrong.
I don’t have time to be righteous when every time I turn around I’m under attack for obeying the laws for one thing. Laws are now being written and passed that will make law abiding citizen criminals and the criminals ignore laws and nothing happens. One side caused that problem and one side only.
Blinders? Because I won’t agree with you? Maybe you’re the one with blinders. Some people will never admit they’re wrong. I remember Nixon, if he ever told the truth he told a lie to cover it up.
I suspect you’re right about Scalia because I can’t find anywhere that he said it but the liberal media has muddled it so bad, no one will ever know. They repeat each other as if repeating makes it true. Good research, I tend to agree with you as I can’t find where he said it either.
Tact is not my strong suit, came by it naturally growing up in SE Idaho, some there are dense beyond words.
DR,
Sometimes I don’t know where to start. The pile only gets bigger.
Blinders, yes. Not because you don’t agree with me. In principle I’m on your side more often than not. But you say: “only one side does it.” That is simply not true.
Statements like, “I don’t have time to be righteous when every time I turn around I’m under attack for obeying the laws for one thing,” causes me to stop and look around like, did he just post that on a public forum?
One more time: you are so often on the verge of making an on-the-spot observation, only to muddle it with piles garbage. As Henry Eyring once said: “Few things could harm the truth more than to defend it with a bad argument.”
ike,
Being righteous requires a society that is righteous too, not a society that attacks everything you do as not PC and similar. Hard to do good to those people as they don’t deserve it and it appears never will.
I just read an article in the national news a hour or so ago. The writer accused the republicans or one thing after another. At the bottom there were comment after comment bringing to his attention that the things he accused the republicans of doing were actually things the democrats themselves did and to deflect blame they blame the republicans. The press tends to do us a great dis-service. Why is Fox News always being trashed? It is popular for a reason and a good one. The liberal press is dying economically and has for years.
You were onto a good point with Mr. Scalia, I’m still trying to find where he said it as at this point I only have a liberal activists word to Huffpo to say it happened. I read case after case on either side of the time line and still don’t find it. But since google says there are thousands of “hits” then it has to be true and then you read link after link after that appear to be repeating just one link, ad gaggg ‘em. And yes, one side does it, it’s called the liberal press side. It does exist. Ask yourself why it isn’t in the news today? Seems no one can defend the charge as best I can tell.
So, next time the verbal bullets are flying thick and fast keep telling yourself to be righteous and not shoot back? Hard to do, isn’t it? One side does understand only one thing and that’s pay backs.
Most of my replies are taking what the previous poster posted and taking them line item for line item until I get tired of showing 100% perfidy on their part.
I don’t think many of here have the capability of recognizing truth any more, just spin that they like and if they like it, it has to be true. Nope. We’ve lost the ability to find hings of merit in this society. Just fight and argue as if that solves something.
Good reply, I disagree with you as noted above.
So, you read FARMS articles? Good for you.
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=29 (source of your quote?)
Blacks , Mexicans, Portaricans and Islamist! All others.
Studies show in a very few years white will be in minorities, will we get the same special treatment, I doubt it!
Jim
I wonder what our founding Father’s would say about the topics trending today. Here is a list:
01 Dollar Menu fails
02 Chechen leader blames U.S.
03 Chevy 46 mpg
04 Alabama jihadist
05 6.9 earthquake
06 Pet food recall
07 NBC pulls Hannibal
08 Michelle Obama Saudi national
09 Willie Mays’ wife dies
10 ABC sued over soaps
http://celebritiesandstars.blogspot.com/
Twitter has:
#IRA2013
#WhenIwakeUp
Steven Byrne
#APaskParamore
#ZoeyIsOurRose
#happy420
Red Sox
Bob Marley
ESPN
Kendrick Lamar
http://celebritiesandstars.blogspot.com/