The Myth of Immigrant-Fueled Crime Wave in Arizona
By Nick Gier, Professor Emeritus, University of Idaho (nickgier@roadrunner.com)
The large influx of Hispanic immigrants has promoted decreased crime, violence, and drug abuse compared to trends among Arizona’s existing resident populations.
–Mike Males and Daniel Macallair, Center for Juvenile and Criminal Justice
Spewing out “fair and balanced” disinformation during May 2010, Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly charged that Arizona’s 300,000 illegal aliens have caused a crime wave that is “overwhelming, dangerous, and through the roof.”
O’Reilly actually used an outdated figure of 500,000, neglecting to acknowledge that the undocumented population has fallen by 200,000 during the last three years. Primarily because of the Great Recession, there are now about 1 million fewer illegal immigrants in the U.S.
Pat Buchanan also fudges figures to distort crime committed by the undocumented. Buchanan claims that Americans should be alarmed that non-citizens make up 30 percent of the federal prison population. If one includes state prisons, whose wardens hold seven times more inmates than the feds do, then the percentage of illegals imprisoned drops to 6-7 percent.
The March 2010 issue of The American Conservative contains an article entitled “HisPANIC: The Myth of Immigrant Crime.” The author Ron Unz concludes that Latinos “have approximately the same crime rates as whites of the same age.” Illegals are significantly undercounted in the census figures that Unz uses, so Latino crime rates may be as much as 35 percent lower than non-Latino rates.
A recent analysis of Arizona’s crime statistics supports Unz’s conclusions. Data from the U.S. Census and the Arizona Department of Public Safety show that from 1995-2009 there were 115 fewer murders, 4,001 fewer violent crimes, and 86,483 fewer property crimes in the state. Significantly, Arizona’s Latino population grew by over one million during the same period.
From 2002-2009 Latino-committed violent crime in Arizona fell by 22 percent, while the number of non-Latinos in this category went down only 15 percent. For the same period Latinos arrested for drug offenses decreased by 6 percent, while the non-Latino number increased 6 percent. O’Reilly’s crime wave, caused by immigrants and drugs is a fiction—pure and simple.
Much violent crime in the border region is the result of the Mexican drug wars. Americans consume two thirds of the world’s illicit drugs, and many drug lords would go out of business if it were not for America’s bad habit. Americans use cocaine at a rate 3.5 times higher than any other industrialized country; they smoke 4 times more marijuana; and they inject 6 times more heroin into their veins.
Since 1995 non-Latino emergency room admissions for drug abuse have gone up 31 percent in Arizona hospitals, but they have gone down 49 percent for Latinos. Since 2000 the number of Arizona’s non-Latinos who die of drug overdose has increased a whopping 47 percent, but the figure for Latinos has decreased by 30 percent. Since 1990 drug deaths for non-Latinos have risen to 20 per 100,000, while Latino deaths are 5 per 100,000.
White Arizonans should focus on the shortcomings of their own rather, than on misperceived threats from Latinos (87 percent legal) who obey the law better than they do.
Due to the fact that all illegals who receive an official paycheck have social security deductions, their contributions alone have put off insolvency in the trust fund by six years. Compared to the estimated $1 billion in fraudulent claims by some of them, undocumented employees paid at least $120 billion into the fund in 2007. This is the calculation of Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, and it is more than twice as much as previous estimates.
According to a 2007 study done by the Urban Institute, only one percent of illegal immigrant families receive welfare (5 percent of citizen families do), and the percentage of undocumented children covered by State Children’s Health Insurance Program Medicaid has dropped from 36 percent in 1995 to 30 percent in 2005.
Writing at Blogcritics.org in 2006, Dave Nalle states that “after factoring in services provided, an illegal immigrant, on average during his time in the US, will contribute $80,000 more to the government than he consumes in services.” (This figure would be much larger with the new social security calculation.) Unscrupulous businesses also benefit because they pay this worker substandard wages and little or no benefits.
In the late 1950s I was the only local Anglo working in the pear orchards of the Rogue River Valley. I was an underaged lad of 14, so I was the only illegal alongside the Mexican pickers on the Bracero Program (1942-1964). Over those years 4.6 million Mexican workers came to this country (peaking in 1957 at 436,000), but at the stroke of midnight on December 31, 1964, their visas were summarily revoked.
All the fields and orchards that these workers had transformed with their hard labor still needed to be harvested. In 2006 the pear growers of Lake County, California could have used hard-working local kids like me as their fruit rotted when they could not get the Mexican labor they so desperately needed.
From his experience in Texas President George Bush knew first-hand how important these workers are to the U.S. economy. His bill to offer a path to citizenship for the undocumented was savaged by right-winger in his own party.
Considering the contributions that these workers have made to the economy—including the $80,000 plus that each of them turn back to the U.S. treasury—it would seem only fair that the $5,000 fine that Bush’s bill would assess for their breaking the law should be waived.
Nick Gier taught philosophy at the University of Idaho for 31 years. Two principal references were Mike Males and Daniel Macallair, “Scapegoating Immigrants: Arizona’s Real Crisis Is Rooted in State Residents’ Soaring Drug Abuse,” Center for Juvenile and Criminal Justice (August, 2010) at www.cjcj.org/files/Scapegoating_Immigrants.pdf; and Edward Schumacher-Matos, “How illegal immigrants are helping Social Security,” The Washington Post (September 3, 2010).
The aggregated statistics the professor uses in this narrative may well be accurate, but they obscure what is perhaps the most important part of the illegal alien problem.
The vast majority of the illegals, particularly the Mexicans, are here in search of a better life through honest work. However a distinct minority but still a sizable number are here for the sole reason of drug trafficking. These guys wouldn’t accept agricultural employment at any conceivable wage.
It’s true, we need our crops harvested and these folk, most of whom don’t even want U.S. citizenship, should be welcomed.
What we need is a system for admitting the ‘Braceros’, while excluding the ‘Narcotrafficante” types.
Good points
Dear Mr. Stucki:
Thank you for not accusing me of manipulating crime data (as others have done). Just look at the research article cited. The facts simply jump out at you.
There is violent drug trafficking across the border primarily because there is very high demand for the drugs the drug lords sell. If Americans could break their bad habit, we could easily put them out of business.
Let me repeat the amazing and tragic fact: Americans consume two-thirds of all illicit drugs in the world. The Taliban finances the killing of NATO troops by selling heroin (indirectly) to Americans and Europeans.
The Mexican government now realizes that the only solution is to legalized drugs and take them out of the hands of criminals. They are losing the war, supported by several billion dollars in U.S. military aid, in which the drug lords arm themselves primarily from America’s own border gun shops.
Gier,
That’s the ironic thing though isn’t it? The best way to cut the druglords off at the knees is to legalize their trade – but that’s for another debate that we’ve been over several times now.
I tend not to watch Fox News for that very reason. Bill O is out to scare white americans into thinking that the majority of mexicans are in gangs and sell drugs. I watch this show border wars and see regular people risking their lives to come to america to work. Yes yes I also do see the drug smugglers trying to get drugs in but they are not making the trip to be here and stay they are making the trip to deliver drugs and go back to do it again. I truly believe we need to better secure our border but at the same time have a REALISTIC approach with the millions of undocumented all ready here. I believe that we should not have this debate with elections around the corner there is not good that could come from it. The only problem with I see for the future is that I truly believe that there is a large group of Americans that just do not want Immigrants here at all. To them I would ask them to remember how this country was started.
S. Martinez,
Nice reply.
One observation. It was started by LEGAL immigrants, sir.
For the most part Stucki is correct in his post. Most Mexicans crossing the border only want work, work that most Amercians will not do for the pay of the work. The one exeption to his post is the drug trafficking, very very few illegal immigrant Mexicans are running the drugs. The Mexican Cartels do not want Hispanics trafficking, running , transporting the drugs in anyway because of the heat on Hispanics. It’s white Americans doing the drug trafficking.
If you want to see who is trafficking the drugs just look at your local police reports in the paper, it’s not hispanics . Read your States Department of Corrections public information on who is incarcerated on drug trafficking charges.
This is nothing but a racist political stunt by some, not all in the Republican party. If they get their way see what they have to say when the crops rot in the fields and what it does to the ecomomy , most of all in Arizona.
Illegal Immigrants ?
What about the Illegal Mormon Mulisha on the border shooting and killing Mexican workers trying to cross the border just looking for work ?
What about white people kidnapping young mexican girls to sell into prostitution ?
What about it’s white Americans trafficking drugs to our kids up from the Mexican border ?
NO one is saying one thing about what the white Amercians are doing in Arizona , Murder, kidnapping of young mexican girls , drug trafficking. All of this Illegal Immigrant ranting is just pure hate by racist mormons in the Reublican party in Arizona.
Disgusted Reader, Legal immigrants ? What kind of racist mind set is that from , the Mormon Church ?
Everything the Mormon Church did to the Nativve American People and you say it was Legal ? Well that shows where the Mormon Church and the Republican feelings are at.
Mormons ? Legal Immigrants ?
As we’ve hashed and re-hashed multiple times, the only solution (NOT a ‘cure’, simply the most viable and the only realistic solution) for the drug problem is elimination of the demand.
Those who prefer the dream world to the real one agree, and profess to hope to make it happen by getting the addicts to ‘shape up’ (quit using).
Those who realize that in the real world, that will never happen any more than will getting alcoholics to swear off booze, ultimately have to face up to the fact that legalization and tight control is the only realistic way to deal with addiction.
Please, for Gawdsake, don’t anybody bother giving us the imaginary downside of that solution – we’ve heard it all a thousand times. There’s no room for conjecture, it’s been tried and found preferable in many places where people aren’t so prone to living in the dream world. It’s not perfect, but it is the best possible option.
Ex Mormon -
What is a “Mulisha”? Perhaps a mule army?
So, is niger trying to tell us, that since the only law that most broceros have broken is that they have illegally entered the country, we should look the other way and just accept all the problems of letting large numbers of illegal aliens cross our borders?
Just out of curiosity, has niger ever looked into the laws of Mexico, and other countries to see how they handle minor violations of the law such as illegally entering the country.
Except for Canada, which I have heard is a little tougher now, every foriegn country that I have ever visited, required me to show I.D. and my passport. That includes Mexico, by the way.
Several even checked my baggage,including Mexico.
I was always treated pretty decently, but I assume that is because everything was in order.
Before Vincente Fox trys to tell us how to handle our illegal aliens,he should explain his own country’s policy.
Disgusted II -
The small fry (the mules, couriers, etc.), the guys most vulnerable to getting arrested, frequently ARE white as you say, but the guys running the operations, at least the ones south of the border, definitely are almost exclusively Hispanics.
Smokey -
Ya gotta be more careful referring to the professor. Your perversion of his name is getting perilously close to the epitome of political incorrectness.
Just wondering….why so many quote Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck then turn around and say, “I never watch FOX”???
That “send us your poor” line was back when
they were trying to fill up this virtually empty country. Alright already….its full
enough….and we have more than enough poor,
including me. So now the worlds poor are nothing but rats and cockroaches coming to steal our food and live in our houses. Its
time to pull out that giant can of RAID.
C.R.
Thanks, my mistake. No excuses. I’ll try to do better.
I’m definitely not politically correct according to some, but I’m not into bashing people over race, religion or culture either.
I think we have more important issues to address.
You mean Jan Brewer was LYING when she said ALL immigrants are drug mules?
How sad when your heart is so full of hate you’ll believe anything derogatory, no matter how ridiculous the claim, as long as it is directed at the people you so despise.
Legal?
This country was built by legal immigrants, not the other kind. That’s my personal opinion and your painting it a ‘mormon’ belief paints you as bigotted. Good evening Soto. My ancestors were among those legal immigrants.
As Mr. Stucki correctly notes there are two Disgusted Readers. Be sure which one you’re responding too. The troll tends to not write like the real one does. He tries but he hasn’t got the knack of it yet.
JOE,
Because they watch it. DUH! Good observation.
Rude,
No but close, all drug mules tend to be illegals, come to texas and see what I mean. It’s amazing what you will do to get in the U.S.
Believe anything derogatory, you mean like your picking and choosing what Jan Brewer said? Things like that?
Hispanics do not have a squeaky clean reputation, no matter how many mis-spoken things you can find other people saying. Their PR is way off.
C.R. Stucki,
The Barbie.
And then you read things like this and wonder about Mr. Giers myths:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-09-10-immigration10_ST_N.htm
By Marcus Stern, ProPublica
The Obama administration is changing the federal immigration enforcement strategy in ways that reduce the threat of deportation for millions of illegal immigrants, even as states such as Arizona, Colorado, Virginia, Ohio and Texas are pushing to accelerate deportations.
The changes focus enforcement on immigrants who have committed serious crimes, an effort to unclog immigration courts and detention centers. A record backlog of deportation cases has forced immigrants to wait an average 459 days for their hearings, according to an Aug. 12 report by Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC), which analyzes government data.
Among the recent changes:
• Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Director John Morton ordered agency officials on Aug. 20 to begin dismissing deportation cases against people who haven’t committed serious crimes and have credible immigration applications pending.
• A proposed directive from Morton posted on ICE’s website for public comment last month would generally prohibit police from using misdemeanor traffic stops to send people to ICE. Traffic stops have led to increased deportations in recent years, according to Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank whose research supports tighter enforcement.
The directive said exceptions would be made in certain cases, such as when immigrants have serious criminal records.
• ICE officers have been told to “exercise discretion” when deciding whether to detain “long-time lawful permanent residents, juveniles, the immediate family members of U.S. citizens, veterans, members of the armed forces and their families, and others with illnesses or special circumstances,” Daniel Ragsdale, ICE executive associate director of management, testified July 1 in the administration’s lawsuit to block Arizona’s controversial immigration law. The law requires police officers to determine the immigration status of suspects stopped for another offense if there was a “reasonable suspicion” they are in the USA illegally. A U.S. district judge has held up the provision pending review.
• A draft memo from ICE’s sister agency, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service, to Morton discussed ways the administration could adjust regulations so certain groups, such as college students and the spouses of military personnel, could legalize their status or at least avoid deportation if Congress doesn’t pass comprehensive immigration reform. USCIS rules on applications for visas, work permits and citizenship. USCIS spokesman Christopher Bentley said the memo was intended to stimulate brainstorming on how to legalize immigrants if new laws aren’t passed.
The administration’s new direction puts it at odds with those who believe the nation’s immigration laws should be strictly enforced and that all illegal immigrants should be deported.
ICE is “thumbing its nose at the law,” said Rep. Steve King of Iowa, the top Republican on the House immigration subcommittee.
The changes have also drawn complaints from immigration advocates. They say deportations under Obama are at record highs and immigrants who remain behind are living in limbo, without work permits, Social Security cards or driver’s licenses.
“This isn’t a free ticket,” said Raed Gonzalez, a Houston attorney who saw cases against his clients dropped last month. “The government can put them back into proceedings at any time.”
Morton said in an interview that the new strategy is smarter, not softer, enforcement. At a time when more than 10 million people are in the country illegally, record sums are spent on enforcement and the federal budget faces huge deficits, it makes sense to target people who pose the biggest threat to public safety or national security, he said.
“Congress provides enough money to deport a little less than 400,000 people,” Morton said. “My perspective is those 400,000 people shouldn’t be the first 400,000 people in the door but rather 400,000 people who reflect some considered government enforcement policy based on a rational set of objectives and priorities.”
ICE statistics show that deportations have increased dramatically from 189,000 in 2001 to 387,000 in 2009. Much of the increase results from deportations of people who haven’t committed serious crimes, according to TRAC.
This year, however, that trend took a sharp turn, according to an Aug. 12 TRAC report.
The number of criminal immigrants removed by ICE “climbed to an all-time high,” the report said. In fiscal 2010, which began Oct. 1, “The removal pace of criminal aliens … is fully 60% higher than in the last year of the Bush administration, and at least a third (37%) higher than in the first year of the Obama administration.”
So maybe there’s something to the MYTH after all. Whom do you believe? So, if you haven’t got the police’s attention you get a pass and that translates to a myth? Not in my world. The myth is educated people who should know better, don’t.
Dr. Gier,
Normally I appreciate your columns, but this one I am having trouble following. While you acknowledge that 87% of Latinos are legal, go back and forth giving statistics about Latinos and illegals as if they were interchangeable.
a
Mr Giers Myths ?
I was born in Pocatello Idaho and have lived here for over 50 years, I am a Hispanic a Hispanic American.
Coming home from the State Fair I was stoped, he said I crossed the solid line more than once. After handing over my driver license, proof of insurance and veehicle reg I was ask for more identification , he said illegal hispanics can get driver licenses. I felt very insulted, what did that have to do with me ? This so called officer said he wanted to search my vehicle so I told him it was against the 4 amendment of my constitutional rights and it was hell not to his seach. Bottom line here is he stoped me because I was hispanic.
Mr Giers Myths ? They are not Myths.
Because all of this post was deleted this morning by the racist Mormons here and I had to post it again I have this to say to our Democrats in public office or seeking public office.
As a people we know the racist agenda of the Republican party towards Hispanics but as yet we have not seen a single Democrat in office or seeking office step forward to call out the republican racism or do one thing about it. All we see is Democrats hiding your heads in the sand with your ass sticking out to take a pounding so you don’t have to make a stand on racim. So Guess what ? You just lost my support.
I worked phone lines for the Democrat party, knocked on doors , gave my money , it all stops right now. As I see it the white mormon Democrats are just as racist as the white Mormon Republican are in pocatello. I will do everyting in my power to make sure you have lost all support by Hispanics in pocatello.
Racism is racism and you are doing noting about it.
So how long will it take you mormons to take this post down ?
b
American Citizen,
I too was born in Pocatello Idaho. I am an American. I have no title to put with my name like Hispanic. I’m not one of the hyphenated generation you come from.
I am independent. I am opinionated. I speak for no one but myself. Yours or my religion or lack of it is not in question. Yours or my political choices are also not in question.
He stopped you because you went over the line. I get stopped if I do the same thing. Hell my grandson got stopped for not having a valid inspection sticker and trust me, he’s not hispanic. Do you suppose he could convince the judge he was stopped because he was a mormon? They stand out you know, they always drive over the white line to get attention. If you want to be insulted, you will be no matter what. Your attitude when you were stopped resulted in the further things that happened to you. You got only yourself to blame for that. Common sense would have limited you to no, sir and yes, sir. Just like me. Oh, he didn’t give me a ticket when he stopped me and I thanked him for doing his job by checking me out. Go figure. Works for me. An Idahoan in Texas.
Thank you for volunteering to help the Democrats in the area, I’m sure it was appreciated. However, I question just why you did it. Seems you wanted to buy something and now you’re not getting it. No, I can’t recommend the Tea Party. Have you consider La Raza? Just asking.
Oh, you seem to be familiar.
seach, racim, not(h)ing, everyt(h)ing. Your spelling is as bad as mine. I’m dsylexic, what’s your rationale?
Mr. Fennell is not LDS, that I am aware of, perhaps you might talk to him about it. He’s also not hispanic that I am aware of. He is reasonable, so walk in screaming your head off to cut him down to size and quickly. And also decide which amendment he is in jeopardy of before you go, helps to be prepared. I never asked him whether he employs a token mormon to take the post down, you might ask him.
Have a better day, sir.
American Citizen,
Depending on which law enforcement agency you feel violated your rights, you can complain to Erik Daily of the Highway Patrol, Chief Miller of the Pocatello Police Dept., or if memory serves me, Chief Guiberson of Chubbuck.
Any police officer is going to pull you over and check to make sure everything is Ok, if they see you cross the center line, but they are held to a pretty high standard of conduct as long as you aren’t aurgumentative or combative.
No police administrator or city leader wants to hear about unaccepatable behaviour from their police officers, regardless of the original reason they pulled you over.
Take your complaint to the officers superiors while the incident is current enough to look at.
They will ussually get back in touch with you to let you know what came of the complaint.
My garden was overwhelmed by weeds all summer, but the Hispanic family down the street had no weeds whatsoever in their garden.
I’ve heard that all those racist Hispanics ever discuss in the “La Raza” meetings is how to make weeds grow in the Gringo’s gardens.
C.R.
My wife had a neighbor ask her how she was able to keep her garden weed free.
She just smiled and said she had a weed puller.
I wonder if that is how your neighbors are able to keep their garden weed free.
Smokey -
That sounds reasonable, but I ain’t buyin’ it! The Hispanics on this blog are all wrapped up in their wild-assed anti-Mormon conspiracy fantasies, and I’m just as entitled to my fantasy as they are to theirs. I’m stickin’ with the original explanation.
C.R. Stucki,
For a price I can get an ‘expert’ on weed pulling to come down the street and show you how it’s done. Give them credit, they know how and you don’t. Dang, I thought you learned that in Putzing in Garden 101.
Thanks Smokey. Both for the police information and the jib Mr. Stucki’s way.
Mr. American Citizen,
May I bring your attention to something you do?
“post was deleted this morning by the racist Mormons here”
“we know the racist agenda of the Republican party”
“we see is Democrats hiding your heads in the sand with your ass sticking out”
“I will do everyting in my power to make sure you have lost all support by Hispanics in pocatello.”
“So how long will it take you mormons to take this post down ?”
Dude, put down the battle axe and the sledge hammer and get things in perspective. You get pulled over by a policeman who indicates you crossed the solid line “more than once” and immediately, its racism, the mormons did it, the republicans are to blame, etc. etc.
Must be nice that everytime something happens in your life you have these convenient things to blame it on. I call it passing the buck in my world. Hell, neither the republicans nor the mormons weren’t driving your car. I feel sorry for the policeman who had to stop you if he had to put up with what we put up with in your post. Take some personal responsibility for your life and quit this blame everyone else game for your woes. It gets beyond old.
I’m not talking for Mr. Fennell but a number of posts were apparently deleted this morning because we have a poster that insists on pretending to be someone he isn’t. I know, I’ve seen my posts go away too since the ISJ can’t tell the difference and I don’t blame them for deleting both. If I want I can replicate mine. No big deal. But to go off on a racist rant would make me look beyond silly, since I’m not the requisite elements on either side to qualify to shout it from the roof top. Seems my side could care less about the charge since we don’t do it but boy do we get blamed for it. How a traffic stop turned into that is beyond me?
Now we know this much about the poster who caused the problems, he doesn’t like mormons so if you want to blame someone for the deleted posts, start with IT. He uses several people names, mine included.
Now if you don’t feel comfortable with dealing with the police, give the information to Smokey and see where he can go with it. I know the gentleman and I trust him. Your choice. One caution, don’t blow smoke and mirrors at him, he used to be a Texan and they can tell.
Have a good day, sir.
Dr. Gier:
I very much appreciated your oolumn and citing of studies and statistics familiar to me that dispels in large measure many erroneous stereotypes.
C.R. Stucki is spot on with regards to how the lack of a responsive yet responsible guest worker program with attendant employer enforcement of labor laws during the post-bracero era would greatly mitigate illegal immigration and the ancillary consequences as a result.
I wholeheartedly agree that the insatiable appetite of this country to consume illicit drugs directly contributes to the border violence we are experiencing that diverts more national resources for enforcement that also provides the perfect cover for wood-be terrorists.
I have been an interpreter for law enforcement investigating drug traffickers big and small as well as criminal defendants arrested in court as described by C.R. Stucki. I have been part of some interesting extradition missions to Mexico on a number of occasions in prior occupation. I have also done my fair share of interpreting for confidential informants in front of State and Federal grand juries.
My observations in that role is one of where we have created a criminal justice or correctional industrial complex where the true financiers and traffickers never are prosecuted or convicted while the expendable purveyors acting on their behalf are warehoused because they engaged in trafficking to suppotr their own habit for the same substances they move. For every 1 trafficker or dealer taken off the streets, there are 20 more ready to take their place. This criminal justice complex is probably one of the largest government jobs program created of which I fully admit I was a part and provided support for myself and my family. It is a shame that the talent and intelligent of this complex could not be applied to value added production and innovation that allows for prosperity.
I am very famaliar of cases where prominant businesssmen, physicians, attorneys provide the financing for the drugs brought into the country and eventually local communities. They are US citizens not immigrants. And they never get prosecuted because they are able to stay just one step ahead of the law with effective fronts. The recent apprehension of drug lord in Mexico whose name escapes me right now was actually one of a US citizen not a immigrant.
The lack of introspection and the adoption of the victim doctrine by many ideologues on this issue needs to be dismissed in grand measure by the statistics provided.
Those who want to blame practically every social ill on illegal immigration or immigrants lack any credibility for their arguments.
I have posted something similar to this before:
Don’t blame immigrants for taxing a social welfare system created by misguided US policy makers. We have a bad social welfare system that foments dependency without 1% to 3% of immigrants accessing it in the first place.
Don’t blame immigrants for the woes of the medical system in this country. We would have a system without immigrants that is overpriced and that funnels uninsured to ERs that is now overspecialized and that places inadequate emphasis on prevention. That is not a result of immigration, it is the result of how we have applied misguided 3rd party payment systems that is inflationary to finance are health care.
Don’t blame immigrants for the woes of our education system. We already have an education system that is accountability adverse in the form of traditional teacher’s unions and a society that has delegated parental responsibilities to entities outside the home long before the waves of immigration came along.
Instead of individual States enacting reactionary policy for short-term gain on the part of politicians who are effective at creating wedge and umbrella issues to veil unsavory agendas, we need to put the pressure on Congress to quit hiding behind the Posse Comitatus Act as there is provision within that act for Congress to temporarily allow or authorize use of the military to have limiited law enforcement powers to restore order and protection to citizens and non-federal jurisdictions.
Then we need to enact the Dream Act as well as a responsible and responsive guest worker program to meet cyclical labor demand. And yes, we need to bite the bullet for conditioning social non-compliance of immigration law due to non-enforcement and provide legalization to otherwise law abiding individuals that are properly contributing to the country.
As indicated by the statistics cited, already close to a million have voluntarily repatriated due to the invisible hand of economic forces to the extent far less will need adjustment of status than what is feared by some.
This issue has been hashed and re-hashed by myself and many others. Time to apply sound solutions and move forward.
On second thought, I am a proud Euro-American.
American Citizen: I’m not going to spend too much time trying to talk some sense to you. Mainly because in order to understand sense, you have to have some. You seem to be lacking in that area. And the other guys have already done as good a job as possible! But – I am going to say this much: I too, was born and raised in Pocatello, Idaho, and if I have to tack a double name onto my citizenship, then I can safely say I’m Irish/American. But then, I prefer American/Irish.
Now, back to you. If you were stopped by the police, it’s because you did something wrong, not because you are Hispanic. If your car was searched, it’s because you gave them a reason, not because you are Hispanic! If it was a Mormon, or Republican that stopped you, that was just the luck of the draw (but highly unlikely)! And if you are, as you say, Hispanic/American, then I would have to assume, other than your family (and maybe even them), the bulk of Hispanic/Americans would be embarrassed to even admit they know you.
Not me in the post above Skezix. IT the Troll is still thinking he so wunderFull of IT.
Strange, I read this this morning.
“As of Sunday, Sept. 5, the Department of Homeland Security’s backlog of fugitive illegal aliens totaled 506,232 people — slightly more than the population of Sacramento, California. Fugitive illegal aliens are individuals who were apprehended for being in the U.S. illegally, were released ahead of their court proceedings, and deemed fugitive when they failed to appear in court.”
But that doesn’t count in what we’re talking about, right? Someone is here illegally and we release them and expect them to show up? What kind of misguided logic is that? Drop them off at the southern tip of South America and let them work their way back north to wherever they come from.
Jayson,
Excellent response, sir. I’m still a tad dubious of the Dream Act. Sounds good, I wonder how it will actually work out. I suspect it will be abused. Interesting to learn some of your personal history.
Skezix,
Texan-American. How does that sound? Yeah, you’re right, pretty dumb. We do have a paper down here called the Austin American Statesman. Going to have to remind them of their faux pas.
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ANZALDUAS PARK – The FBI is investigating after armed men shot at border patrol agents on the Rio Grande.
A Border Patrol Spokesperson tells CHANNEL 5 NEWS agents chased a vehicle to the river’s edge near Anzalduas Park this morning.
The driver swam to Mexico leaving behind his vehicle loaded with drugs. As agents were removing over a thousand pounds of marijuana armed men in Mexico began shooting at agents patrolling on boats.
The agents returned fire several times forcing the gunmen in Mexico to flee. No injuries were reported.
I know, not illegal immigrants but illegal never the less. FBI, not the other feds?
Man Pleads Guilty to Attacking Off-Duty Border Patrol Agent
Last Update: 4:29 am
HIDALGO COUNTY – The head of an Hidalgo County kidnapping ring could spend the rest of his life in federal prison.
Jose Antonio Armendariz pleaded guilty to playing a role in the attack on an off-duty Border Patrol Agent in June 2009.
Prosecutors allege the Peñitas man and his crew mistakenly targeted the agent near his Mission home. They believe he was a member of a criminal organization.
Police say the suspects fired shots at the agent and his daughter but neither of them were hurt.
Armendariz has also admitted to taking part in the 2006 kidnapping of a McAllen bakery owner. He was acquitted of that crime in district court.
Armendariz is scheduled to be back in court in November for a sentencing hearing.
Kidnapping ring? But not illegal immigrants. Tell that to 72 found in a mass grave 50 miles south in Mexico. But no connection to illegal immigrants?
Shall I go on? The news papers are filled with things like this here and all connection to? Yup, you guessed it and getting worse.
8 Illegals Injured in Crash
Last Update: 9/11 12:31 am
HEBBRONVILLE – Eight illegal immigrants were rushed to the hospital following an accident in Jim Hogg County. The accident happened Friday evening on Highway 359 east of Hebbronville.
State troopers tell CHANNEL 5 NEWS the driver of pick-up truck carrying ten illegals lost control and crashed. The driver and two of the immigrants ran off.
Troopers say five of the injured immigrants were taken to hospitals in Alice and Kingsville. Three other illegals were transported to a Corpus Christi hospital.
The extent of the victims injuries is not known.
Yup, Texas taxpayers get to pay for them. Now if this is happening here and it’s magically not happening in Arizona, that’s not reality.
This is just the past few days. Sometimes the papers here are full of it.
D.R.
Expect Ngier to either not respond because he knows when his readers are more knowlegeable than himself, or expect him to try the smoke and mirrors approach to answering your posts.
You can be pretty sure though, that he won’t thank you for enlightening him.
It’s unfortunate that Nick doesn’t know where to get the best info., when doing research, like those in law enforcement who have to deal with the problem on a daily basis. That would have been a no brainer to me, but Nick obviously wasn’t interested in having his column clouded by data from the experts in the field.
Your info. is pretty consistant with what I was aware of,during my twenty five years living and working in Texas.
Smokey,
I’m always amazed at what some people write about places they obviously are not cognizant of nor really know what is going on.
NAFTA needs to go, it’s a disaster getting worse. The illegals/drug lords abuse it something horrible. We get to see it every day here and probably only a small percentage of it gets stopped.
Nope, the jails are filled with two specific categories of perps and trust me there is a valid link.
This makes more sense,
Common sense would seem to suggest that economic downturns spur increases in crime, on the general principle that desperate times give rise to desperate measures. So it’s a bit surprising to learn, via new statistics released by the FBI, that violent crime dropped for the third year in a row in 2009 by 5.3 percent. The FBI’s report on trends in crime data covers about 96 percent of the U.S. population.
The FBI chart above shows that property crimes also decreased, along with each category of violent crime, even as unemployment around the country remained high in a down economy. But experts who study fluctuations in crime rates say they have no real relationship to employment patterns. “Forty-year-old non-offenders who get laid off are unlikely to start robbing 7-11s,” University of Colorado sociology professor Tim Wadsworth wrote to The Upshot in an email. “Most of us think that the relationship between the economy and crime rates has more to do with high rates of joblessness influencing the health and well-being of communities.” Once joblessness damages communities, young men — who make up the bulk of offenders — begin to commit more crimes, he says.
Similarly, Ohio State economics professor Bruce Weinberg found in a 2002 study that no relationship exists between unemployment and violent crime. He notes that most violent crimes — especially sexual assaults — don’t have a financial motive. Weinberg did discover, however, that a lack of labor opportunities for unskilled male workers correlated to high property crime rates.
Weinberg also said that in areas where the entire local community is suffering a systemic slump in the local economy, it’s less likely that unemployed people will commit more property crimes, for the simple reason that they will find less to steal. “If the labor market for less-skilled men deteriorates, then you see them committing more crimes, but if there’s nothing to steal you don’t see as much crime,” he said.
Wadsworth, who has studied the effect of immigration on crime, says the relationship between joblessness and the economy is “tenuous,” since many crimes are committed by young men not yet old enough to have entered the job market.
Still, because it takes time for joblessness to affect communities as a whole, “there may be somewhat of a lag effect” between joblessness and higher crime rates in a community, Wadsworth said. One reason Weinberg thinks that the most recent data isn’t reflecting that trend, he told The Upshot, is that it may be too soon for the poor economy and high unemployment to show up in the stats.
Meanwhile, Northeastern University criminologist James Alan Fox told the AP that the estimated 10 percent drop in police budgets over the past few years could reverse the decline in crime rates.
“There is a connection between the economy and crime rates, but it’s not that when the economy is bad, people go out and commit crime,” he said. “When the economy is bad, there are budget cuts. Less is spent on youth crime prevention and crime control on the street.”
D.r.
One way to compensate for a Police Department’s dimnishing budget is through a police Reserve program.
The volunteers who can meet the requirements as well as the back ground checks,(that’s right, there are several of them) are not paid, purchase their own uniforms, and have regular jobs.
The departmentment provides them with training, sometimes at the volunteer’s expense, and issues a Department handgun,when they qualify.
Some reserves are also issued a rifle, shotgun or both for the car, if the department wants them to have them, but only after they qualify with them.
Most reservists are also required to provide their own belt, while holsters, cuff pouch, extra magazine pouches, moble radio and pouch, etc.are ussually provided by the department.
The advantage to the department is being able to put more officers on the street, particularly at peak times with a minimum increase in expense of doing so.
The biggest problem that I’m aware of is liability, and the reluctance of the city’s insurance carrier to insure reserve officers if they are not with a training officer or regularly employed officer who is certified to supervise.
Another problem is that the associations that most city police departments are affilliated with and from whom they recieve their department ratings, require all officers to upgrade their training each year or the department stands to lose it’s rating.
This yearly upgrade in training is generally provided for the paid officers by the department, but is ussually considered too expensive for the department to provide for the reserves or for the reserves to provide for themselves, both in terms of financial expense and the time required for the upgraded training.
College station, Texas has disbanded it’s reserve program while the last time I checked, Bryan, Texas was still using reserve officers.
Smokey,
There is none here and it shows. Good idea, not used as much as it should be. Thanks. The DPS serves up where and I live and the trooper is terrified of some of the people up here. We’ve offered to help him but thus far he’s never come to us.
D.R.,
Police are cautioned not to ask civilians for help too much.
If one police officer tells another to get that guy, the other officer knows his parameters and acts accordingly.
As happened once, that I’m aware of, if a police officer asks a civilian to get that guy, he not only may be endagering the civilian, but the civilian may then pull a concealed handgun and shoot the guy he is been asked to get. The officer then ends up exclaiming, “I said get him, not shoot him”.
Maybe that is a little to dramatic of an example, but the fact is, police officers operate under protocols that civilians don’t normally have the training to understand, and in tense and fast moving incidents it is important to understand one’s parameters.
I agree with you though, that police reservists can really help a police department meet it’s responsibilities to the community with minimal increases in the costs associated with having a dedicated and responsive police department.
It would be well worth it for the insurers of city governments and the police certifying agencies to work with local, and state police departments to encourage the training and use of volunteer reserves.
Most of the concerns are valid ones, but I believe they can be resolved.
Smokey,
True, but we have exactly one guy who runs the other way when trouble comes and that’s not helpful. Sometimes we solve the problems ourselves rather than ask for him. Not sure how he got to be a DPS trooper in the first place.
Here’s another one, illegal immigrant from Central America. Had a Lincoln Navigator, can’t speak or read English but is driving (drivers license?) First degree murder is not a myth, not even close.
Man charged in drunken driving fatality had three previous DWIs
By Isadora Vail | Thursday, September 3, 2009, 11:18 AM
A 23-year-old Austin man who is charged with murder following a fatal wreck Monday had been previously convicted in three drunken driving cases, according to his arrest affidavit.
Police said Jaime Bonilla Alvarado, who has been charged with first-degree murder and is in the Travis County Jail with bail set at $750,000, was seen driving dangerously in his Lincoln Navigator on Monday night in East Austin.
A police officer followed Alvarado for a few blocks near Springdale Road and Bolm Road and then turned on his lights to pull Alvarado over. Alvarado was seen throwing two glass bottles with liquid in them out of the window, and running through several lights, the affidavit says.
At the intersection of Airport Boulevard and Bolm Road, police said, Alvarado ran a red light and struck 64-year-old Robert Joel Benn, who had just arrived in Austin from Tennessee on business.
Alvarado faces up to life in prison if convicted. Police have said he was not seriously injured in the wreck.
By Juan Castillo AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Published: 11:14 p.m. Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2010
Austin attorney Teresa Villaseñor Harris is the recipient of the Ohtli medal, the highest honor bestowed by the Mexican government outside Mexico.
Harris was presented the award Tuesday night at a reception hosted by Mexican Consul General Rosalba Ojeda, who recognized Harris for her work providing free legal services and assistance to Mexican immigrants and their children.
She does pro-bono work (paid for by US taxpayers and Mexico rewards her and the american taxpayer get the bill. Send money Mexico. You owe us.
saljones
12:58 PM on September 15, 2010
For the story behind the story, readers ought to visit the website for Teresa Villaseñor Harris. Among other things, it notes that she attended the San Diego School of Law, “where she achieved recognition as the Student Council President of LA Raza Law Students.”
This is quite revealing. First of all, “raza” is the Spanish word for “race.” And a website written in “Spanglish” for LA Raza Law Students says much about that organization and, presumably, about Teresa Villaseñor Harris. It states:
“La Raza Law Students Association seeks to empower Latina/o students. By studying law with conocimiento, we learn how to shape the law to enhance our diverse communities’ cultural, economic, political, social, and spiritual vitality.”
It adds: “Drawing upon el poder de la comunidad, La Raza Law Students Association manifests solidarity with other progressive individuals and organizations who seek to transform social conditions in the United States y el mundo. Together we realize the bright hope de la humanidad.”
Interestingly, Harris and her husband, like many liberal elites, have done well enough to take a long vacation. According to her website:
“Ms. Harris spent three years sailing the Sea of Cortez with her husband, Malcolm Harris, and obtained her certification as a scuba diver. Her adventures upon the high seas ended, however, when she returned to Texas.”
Her website also notes that she’s a member of the parent council for St. Andrew’s Episcopal School. How interesting that her kids go to an elite private secondary school in Austin — not one of the city’s public schools attended by the many anchor kids of all those upstanding “immigrants” she is doing so much to help with her pro bono legal services.
For those who want to ask Mexico’s favorite daughter about her political views, you may write to her at her public e-mail address: tharris@thefowlerlawfirm.com
Big Texan
12:12 PM on September 15, 2010
Maybe she can help the illegal (w/ 3 drunk driving convictions, deportations, ect) that killed the TN man in 2009, Or maybe she can help the illegals that raped the 14 year old in marble falls earlier this year. How about the 4 mexican mafia guys that killed someone last month? These are all upstanding folks that surely the Mexican government will give her another award. But not pay for their illegals legal costs.
It goes on and on. Mr. Gier, send money, we’re tired of paying for you myth.