Democrats have a prime opportunity
By Larry Ferro
A few glasses of wine in and a friend says, “Larry, I’m Republican, you know. When I see your articles, I just move on to something more interesting.”
Hard to argue with that so I don’t. I may even understand. It’s a sign of the times. My friend has many options and doesn’t have to read my stuff.
The days of getting information from a solitary, half hour news program ala’ Walter Cronkite are gone. The eighties gave us 24 hour cable news and the nineties, an Internet that exponentially exploded our options. As a result, we can cherry pick our news sources. We’ve become like children no longer required to eat everything on the plate but instead making straight for dessert.
There is nothing inherently wrong with this except that there is a lot of unhealthy stuff out there masquerading as the opposite and it’s hard to make the distinction.
Because of this, a strident follower of the Tea Party may swear that Obama is a Muslim, wasn’t born in the U.S., has increased regulation and the debt more than any other president and secretly designs his policies to swell the ranks of the poor to help his re-election.
Living and working in the reddest state in the nation I’m exposed to all manner of this right wing information. A recent email shows pictures of an elegant, downright extravagant prison allegedly built and supported by congressman Obama. The story was false. The building resides in Austria, not Illinois and Obama had nothing to do with it. My Facebook friends regularly display all manner of stories (with official, almost credible sounding references) touting socialistic threats about to befall our country at the hands of Obama.
I could spend months refuting these things but I won’t. I won’t because my words, as evidenced from the conversation above, would not be heard. The Tea Party, falling somewhere between a movement and a cult, believes there is conspiracy in all media not their own. There is a kind of, we know better than you, you are simply not informed, kind of mentality going on. This, coupled with a complete dismissal of all things Left and a purging of Republican moderates such as Richard Lugar indicate their sense of reality leaves something to be desired.
Given this, it is not time to argue anymore; it’s time to change. We Democrats have a prime opportunity. Instead of moving to our ideological extreme to distinguish ourselves, we should move aggressively to the practical and reasonable center where we will be distinguished enough from the ever more extremist Right. It’s time to enlarge our tent.
Many moderate Republicans disagree with tax breaks for the wealthy and a growing number desire action on global warming. Many secretly support the health care initiative and see the futility of no compromise. More and more, these moderates despair over the direction of their party.
By controlling their precinct committeemen, (who select the leadership of their party), the Tea Party has screened out moderates and steered the party to such an extreme that they have alienated many of their own.
The Democrats can absorb this group but first, they must change their platform. The world is changing, why shouldn’t they change? Why should our party be beholden to policies written 50 and 100 years ago?
We should declare our intention to have a yearly, balanced budget (assuming no recession). This is good fiscal policy and is easily understood by the populace. It was our competition that labeled us deficit makers but for my entire life I’ve never seen this to be true. In fact, I usually see the opposite. Next, we should take guns off the agenda. Though they’ve been low on the list for years, we should make it official; it’s a losing argument. Lastly, we should openly state that we will return the wealthiest tax rates to historical levels and use the revenues to improve our schools and fund more research.
Our party needn’t be narrowly characterized by unions, minorities, environmentalists and university professors. Though we are not cold hearted industrialists, neither are we bleeding hearts desiring to give away people’s hard earned money. We are practical problem solvers too long defined by the other side. We will never find common ground with a Tea Party that works themselves into a frenzy over liberty, socialism, light bulbs and other worries that didn’t exist until they lost an election. If the new Republicans want to be the party that says no and undoes things, we need to be the party that actually does things. And if the Far Right stands for all the things embodied by resistance to change, then the Left should be just the opposite, embracing change and shaping it the way we want it to be.
Larry Ferro is a chemical engineer living in Pocatello.
Larry -
If it’s any consolation, this Republican does not ignore you!
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-ad-calls-romney-problem-job-losses-china-211558697–abc-news-politics.html
False is where you find it. It was time to stop arguing years ago, it won’t stop anytime soon, guess who guarantees it? When they’re busy screaming expletives into the air, indeed it is hard to hear.
I like some of your ideas, dude. I suspect you’re going to be as popular as nothing trying to get traction with them with the group you’re trying to represent. Compromise with them is them getting their way and only their way.
Speaking of opportunities.
Tony Lee 8 Jul 2012, 6:24 AM PDT
In 2010, influenced by the Tea Party and its focus on fiscal issues, 17 states elected Republican governors. And, according to an Examiner.com analysis, every one of those states saw a drop in their unemployment rates since January of 2011. Furthermore, the average drop in the unemployment rate in these states was 1.35%, compared to the national decline of .9%, which means, according to the analysis, that the job market in these Republican states is improving 50% faster than the national rate. But republicans are shipping jobs overseas per the pundits on here.
Since January of 2011, here is how much the unemployment rate declined in each of the 17 states that elected Republican governors in 2010, according to the Examiner:
Kansas – 6.9% to 6.1% = a decline of 0.8%
Maine – 8.0% to 7.4% = a decline of 0.6%
Michigan – 10.9% to 8.5% = a decline of 2.4%
New Mexico – 7.7% to 6.7% = a decline of 1.0%
Oklahoma – 6.2% to 4.8% = a decline of 1.4%
Pennsylvania – 8.0% to 7.4% = a decline of 0.6%
Tennessee – 9.5% to 7.9% = a decline of 1.6%
Wisconsin – 7.7% to 6.8% = a decline of 0.9%
Wyoming – 6.3% to 5.2% = a decline of 1.1%
Alabama – 9.3% to 7.4% = a decline of 1.9%
Georgia – 10.1% to 8.9% = a decline of 1.2%
South Carolina – 10.6% to 9.1% = a decline of 1.5%
South Dakota – 5.0% to 4.3% = a decline of 0.7%
Florida – 10.9% to 8.6% = a decline of 2.3%
Nevada – 13.8% to 11.6% = a decline of 2.2%
Iowa – 6.1% to 5.1% = a decline of 1.0%
Ohio – 9.0% to 7.3% = a decline of 1.7%
On the other hand, the unemployment rate in states that elected Democrats in 2010 dropped, on average, as much as the national rate decline and, in some states such as New York, the unemployment rate has risen since January of 2011.
This is yet another example of how the so-called “blue state” model is not working.
So where are the opportunities Mr. Ferro? Where are the democrats who will admit, things aren’t going well and can change?
Larry,
Your onto something that is already happening. I’ve seen graphs that show we as a party, have slowly moved to the middle, and the right has skyrocketed off the chart to the right.
The Bonneville Democrats have a new banner that reads something like “All are welcome under out tent”, pretty much what you’re saying.
I challenge when the topic comes up to point out to me just where the right is more fiscally responsible, it’s just not true.
I’ve even had discussions with Libertarians that once you get beyond the coo-coo part, you find a Democrats values under there, although they would never admit it!!
I personally think if this state stays as red as its been, (we’re not really #1 you know, although it does seem like it) and this takes effect;
“There is now a move underway, spearheaded by Governor Butch Otter and IACI (Idaho Association of Commerce and Industry) to completely do away with personal property business tax for businesses that have personal property tax of over 100,000.00, thus shifting “Millions” of dollars of obligations to the common property owner.”
You will see a tidal wave to the left.
Actually, I can’t wait, after all it is what I have always maintained, the upper right only cares about the all mighty dollar in their pocket, “Period” everyone else over there is lost.
After all, GOP starts out with a “G” for greedy.
Alan,
You, a democrat, surely you jest? Dem, “D” stands for defensive, dumb, duplicious, etc.
The left only cares about the dollar in the other guys pocket and wants to spend it for him.
Here’s the website: http://www.iaci.org/ I & Google are drawing a blank on your rumored “move”.
“Taxes and Regulation
Uncertainty in federal tax policy and overly aggressive regulation by federal agencies inhibit the flow of investment and subsequent innovation, restricting economic expansion. To support U.S. competitiveness and job growth, the United States needs to:
Enact tax provisions that spur private sector innovation and development, and that encourage the formation of new businesses large and small
Eliminate the double federal taxation on investments and inheritance
Maintain provisions in U.S. tax law that enable U.S.-based companies to remain competitive globally
Ensure regulations reflect a cost-benefit perspective and avoid arbitrary, punitive or discriminatory actions
Establish a modern and coherent financial services federal regulatory structure
Promote workplace regulations that allow companies to move quickly to meet the demands of a rapidly changing marketplace
Strengthen the protection and enforcement of intellectual property rights in the United States and abroad”
Nothing shifty except your comment.
You publish a picture of Romney on page C-1 this morning. If you look closely at the hands, they are female. Nice job of photo shopping. Why would you read the article after that?
DR,
You’re cherry picking your data just like everyone else.
A couple of weeks ago, I sat down and gathered data on Red states and Blue states. On an Excel spreadsheet, I compared the umeployment rate to the idealogical leanings of each state. The results? The GOP faired slightly better than their counterparts. The difference was so minimal however, I could easily see why the GOP isn’t running with this data.
Mr Ferro,
Taxing the wealthy and the Obamacare legislation are not very moderate concepts. As the SCOTUS verified that Obamacare is a tax, it is doubtful several moderate Dems would have voted for it to begin with. Remember, there are plenty of moderate Republicans in the government, but not a single one of them voted for the Affordable Care Act.
ike,
Not my data, I found it in several places. Took it from The Examiner for the post.
You have to understand that percentages seems minimal but when you consider how many people are involved even a small percent is a huge number of people. 1% is 3.3 million people in this country alone.
DR,
No, the data you present is reasonable, but very selective.
The data I collected out of my own curiosity turned out to be vague – neither the GOP or the Dems are distinctive in their management of the economy. I wonder if there is a way that I can show you the spreadsheet without disclosing personal information to the rest of the world.
ike,
Thanks for clearing that up. I read through several articles and they were all saying basically the same thing. Your observation about neither side being distinctive in their management gets agreement with me.
Try an anonoymous page on flickr.com with an email that is never answered and isn’t particularly helpful? Let me know. Recommend excel or microsoft spread sheets as being more common. This applet won’t allow spreadsheet formatting.
Never give out personal info on the internet. Good advice.
I could put out more data but I’m already in enough trouble with C.R. Stucki.
Pat Caddell 9 Jul 2012, 11:19 AM PDT
The Supreme Court’s Obamacare-affirming decision–which can be summed up as “Read John Roberts’ lips, it’s a tax”–has put a political cudgel in the hands of Republicans. The cudgel, of course, is taxes. But a huge nail is also embedded in the cudgel: the fundamental deceit of Obamacare. ….Republicans fail to realize is that healthcare and the economy are inextricably linked; Americans now realize that Obamacare was a detour on the road to economic recovery, so to remind them of one is to remind them of the other. And the two issues, compounded, are all the more powerful.
Put government in charge of 20% of the economy in just one area can only be disastrous given their history in other areas. More states are backing off on medicaid as being too expensive and Obamacare is even more expensive. And now it’s a tax on those very people who couldn’t afford it previously who miraculously will now be able to afford it? Don’t think so.
Largest local hospital here just announced layoffs tonight, first in history for it that I can remember. Seems they’re going into “survival” mode as soon as they can. Not good.
Reported 83% of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare and there are another 130,000 doctors needed by 2025 and it costs how much to train someone to be a doctor? Don’t ask. All on borrowed money via student loans?
Indeed the democrats do have a prime opportunity but it’s not where a number indicate they think it is.
In the meantime other democrats have turned other ways.
By ALEX ISENSTADT | 7/9/12 4:37 AM EDT
Politicians recognize they give up a degree of privacy when they run for office.
But Democrats are testing the outer limits of that understanding with a practice that raises questions about when campaign tracking becomes something more like stalking….
While most serious campaigns on both sides use campaign trackers — staffers whose job is to record on video every public appearance and statement by an opponent — House Democrats are taking it to another level. They’re now recording video of the homes of GOP congressmen and candidates and posting the raw footage on the Internet for all to see.
People like the one who stalked Gabrielle Giffords, for example? Don’t you just love the evolving limits this administration is experimenting with? Next thing you know there will be a tax on it.
We need good honest businessmen in the federal government and we just don’t have any such thing at present. Things go bad when honest men, do nothing.
these so-called red states also get a huge bump from the Federal Government, in some cases amounting to a large fraction of the state GDP. Not surprisingly, many of these taker states are in the south and the west.
Thus, is it possible these taker states are seeing the effects of the stimulus?
A really nice article from the Statesman can be found here:
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/07/08/2182706/federal-aid-cuts-would-weaken.html
By the way, I read a economic research report on why red states tend to get more in federal dollars compared to blue states. In a nutshell, the research suggested a few things to be the cause, including 1) many western states are dominated by federal land and the federal money that follows and 2) red states tend to have lower populations, yet, they still have two senators. In effect, these states have greater per capita representation than high population states.
Max,
26 million here, #2 doesn’t work for here. Everybody has two senators, it’s not based on population. We’ve just gained another representative per the last census. Wonder who lost? http://2010.census.gov/2010census/data/apportionment-data-text.php Quick look says, blue states? You’re right about population.
Gee, Larry
Looks like you aren’t as liberal as I thought. The platform you are trying to get the Dems to change to sounds more Republican or in some cases, even conservative! Keep up the fight, you have as much chance of bringing Pelosi, Reid and Obama along as the Republicans do getting Obamatax repealed!!
What exactly do you think should happen to people who can afford health insurance but dont buy it? Who pays for the weeks in ICU after their serious illness or accident?
This is a really important development for folks who love to spout poison anonymously on news websites and the interweb in general. Yay!
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A judge ruled Tuesday that the Spokesman-Review must provide information that could identify an anonymous reader who posted a comment in February about Kootenai County Republican Party chairwoman Tina Jacobson.
Under the name “almostinnocentbystander,” the commenter questioned whether $10,000 reportedly missing from the Kootenai County Central Committee might be “stuffed inside Tina’s blouse.”
The judge ordered the newspaper to give Jacobson any information disclosing the identity, e-mail address, and IP addresses of “almostinnocentbystander.”
The paper conceded that the blouse comment “wasn’t nice” but pointed out that it was posted on a site where people are “sometimes airing outrageous views.”
The Spokesman-Review hasn’t yet decided whether to appeal.
http://jimromenesko.com/2012/07/11/spokane-paper-ordered-to-hand-over-information-about-anonymous-commenter/
NRF:
Not rocket science. They don’t buy insurance but can afford it? They pay the consequences and work with the hospital/doctors to pay the bills. Ever heard of personal responsiblility? Of course you haven’t.
You are naive. One day in the hospital with a visit to the ER is over $4000. Hospitals would close their doors waiting for people to pay.
How do you expect a person to pay their bill if they are too sick or injured to ever return to work? You are an idiot!!!!!!
This attitude is exactly why are country will never get away from the burden of heath care. You have the right signing these pledges to Grover out of fear of not gaining reelection and the country suffers. Call it a tax, call it a penalty I dont care. The right doesnt have the courage to address the problem and go against those they have sold out to.
NRF,
“What exactly do you think should happen to people who can afford health insurance but dont buy it? Who pays for the weeks in ICU after their serious illness or accident?”
Under Obamacare the IRS goes after them and they pay whether they like it or not. Now as to what they do now, they go to the ER and leave without paying because…..well, they want to spend their money on other things among others. It’s called responsibility and they were born with a deficit.
Who pays, you and I do and with Obamacare, it will be guaranteed we still do just pay to a different entity (IRS & the feds). They have a history of expanding to spend all the tax funds and then some that comes their way.
How do you expect someone to pay a bill when sick or injured? Well, that’s too painfully obvious but they have insurance to cover it. i.e. Health, car, job, etc. We’ve become a society that requires insurance for everything and avoid-er beware with what comes with not buying what you need. Welcome to the coming Medicare Health Panels that decide only democratic voters get health care and republican voters don’t. That should go over well.
Oh, House Vote today 244-185 to repeal Obamacare but it will die under Harry Reid in the Senate, Mr. NO. The message has been sent, let’s see if there’s a receiver working on that end. If there’s isn’t, replace it as defective.
The left think the solution is destroying the economy as a fix. Definitely not a fix. And that definitely qualifies as a sell out. Insurance is eating this society alive.
Romney didn’t tell the NAACP what they wanted to hear did he? He told them like it is, whether they want to listen or not. He showed up and was “courageous” per them. That’s something they’re not too familiar with called, “respect”. They’ll vote for the other guy, they always do, it’s a bad habit of theirs. And things always get worse for them and they blame the other guy, the one they didn’t vote for.
You’re right Health Care is a burden, wonder how it got that way?
The House wasted time to look good for their base. Nothing but wasted time, but they take their govt health care dont they.
Romney is a joke, he should have stayed home. No worse of a bad habit then the white hicks from the south voting republican.
http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/07/romney-steps-up-his-game-with.php
Dandee
“And the group gave Romney a standing ovation at the end, but our news media will only show us the boo’s.”
“Native_New_YorkerTop 50
Good for Romney! Did anyone notice that Obama just assumes this organization would support him, thus sent the idiot Biden in his place. That alone is an insult and slap in the face to the organization.
When you put race above honestly, credibility, ethics, honor and civility, you throw away your integrity. Shame on the NCAAP!”
“stephaniejane81
hopefully those most critical of Romney on the right can give him credit b/c I’m tired of those who think that Romney can do nothing right. I give him a lot of credit for what he did, and he handled it well.”
“wait for flash
Apparently we are supposed to be more upset about money Mitt Romney EARNED than the TAXPAYER BILLIONS OBAMA HAS WASTED!”
Romney showed up and told it like it is. Unlike his opponent who tells it like they want to hear it. The blogs are filled with comments like the above, it’s more positive than negative. And yes, certain blogs are negative from the “same” people.
Come November we’ll see how many follow what.
Like this guy: craig70000000
“As an African American I really appreciate Romney for showing up. You have to respect that. He didn’t have to do it. Obama is ashamed to speak to us he is scared they will call him the “black president” so he avoids all things “black”. So I will avoid and decline him come November. I promise you that. We have had our black president. So far everything Obama has did has been in reverse, everywhere he has supposed to help he did the opposite like ObamaCare , went from supposedly free healthcare for all to all must pay or get punished for healthcare. He has disrespected the American people too much.
Also as an African American I’m embarrassed how messily racist my people are acting. Its pure racism to support Obama just because he’s black and has done nothing for blacks even dissing them. Yet Romney opens up his arms and get booed because he’s white.
Well I’m one black person who this is not getting passed.”
Above from the National Journal blog, it was page after page of the same with a few liberals attempting to spin something in between. Check it out. Blog is at the bottom of the article.
Like I have said, DR, I have some friends of African descent, and they have on more than one occasion found fault with the things Obama has done, after promising so much. He may believe that every eligble African American voter will automatically vote for him. Personally, I doubt it. I’m sure there are a lot who will, but as the above blog states, mainly because he is (half) black.
Anyone with any brains can see what is happening to our country under Obama’s ‘reign’, but NEVER underestimate the intelligence of people, regardless of their race.
Just my opinion folks!
Thats stupid. Who would think any group would vote 100% for a candidate. Do you think 100% of mormons are voting for Romney? Im hoping there are one or two free thinkers still left in the church.
NOF,
NRF feels that anyone who demonstrates personal responsibility is foolish and a burden on society. Did you miss her entire conversation earlier this year with the young woman who gave birth to two children while her husband and she went to school, they lived modestly and paid their bills and NRF still called her a fool and irresponsible. I guess the only responsible people in her mind are those who take advantage of the rest of us to pay for their mistakes.
mab
NRF,
No.
Around 14.5 million free thinkers. Not like you with your 100% remark. However, I’m voting against Obama if that’s what you mean? That dude has to go and the sooner the better. Odd that I’d be voting for who I will be though, got that right. Not looking forward to the “everything can be blamed on one people” thing. It will come to that, you people guarantee it, blame, blame, blame.
Estimated 93% of that group you reference did vote for guess who? They also think voter ID is a “poll tax”. But “free thinkers”, right?
Enjoy.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/new-romney-ad-calls-obama-liar-dishonest_648448.html
But only Romney lies in your world? I’ve yet to see what he lies about. He stood in front of the NAACP and told it like it is and that somehow is lying? The press reported the boos and somehow missed the ovation at the end? They have a bad habit in that respect. Wonder how Biden went over with the same group? I promise, I promise, I promise……other peoples money will be yours and in large quantities. Free pot, etc. It’s an evolving thing. I’m wondering when he and Joe will leave their wives for other guys. More important. Wonder if Darwin ever considered reverse evolution?
Skezix,
We have to many people who vote to keep the largesse coming in their lives and never question where it comes from.
I’ve got a grandson who voted for Obama (yes, grandson is LDS) and now regrets it something horrible. I also have a black brother down the road here who voted for Obama because he was going to take care of him and Obama hasn’t and didn’t. But I suspect he’ll vote for him again as if doing something twice with the same result will result in a different outcome. In other words he never learns. I’ve backed off helping him just for that reason. Waste of time and money. Input, no output.
I dread the day he passes away before me, he’s said he wanted his son to come live with me after all the bad time I’ve given him. The young man is half Hispanic, half black and the first thing I’d do is give him a haircut. 3 foot Afros are weird looking on someone so physically small. It’s a “covenant” his dad made that I told him he needed to do himself, not his son.
Im still calling her a fool. Who would be dumb enough to take a chance of putting yourself in a place, on purpose, where you might not be able to pay your bills.
I see no obama fan had no reply for the people that could not return to work to pay those massive hospital bills. Who do you think pays those Mark?Who would have payed your friends if the kid was in ICU for months? Oh but they werent so her stupidity was then justified. Idiots!!!!!!
SEE Sanity has died only people who do things exactly the way NRF wants them to or live off the government are responsible people.
I have some really bad news for you, life is a gamble you can do everything to protect yourself and still tragedy can happen. The difference between people who are courageous enough to take that chance and you is that you expect everyone else to fix it for you if it goes bad.
You know all those slogans that say “Safety is job one”? They lie, if safety was really job one they would not open their doors because the only way to make sure no accidents happen in any job is to not do any work at all. Its all a risk you just refuse to grow up enough to realize that simple fact.
Oh I forgot people like her children who insist on perfect scores for mediocre work are also responsible people.
You never answered my trolls question on the other blog what color is you plumage?
mab
Mark: Yeah do what the hell you want if it only affects YOU. When you or someone else cant pay their hospital bill then the government has to step in with MY tax dollars then it becomes MY business. You want your business to remain yours, then dont participate in risky behavior.
IF that is really your opinion then you should be dead set against Obamacare.
mab
Is having sex without protection risky behavior?
mab
Not if Im paying for the result of that behavior.
But not for the birth control you want others to pay for? Obamacare will take care of the HIV or STD’s you get for the risky behavior, so you’re not paying there either. Let me know when the bill comes to you personally per your world. So, you really are against Obamacare, just won’t recognize it.
Obama will give women free sterilization but not men. How does that work? Still doesn’t reduce the risk but at least an innocent child is not involved.
Im paying for any birth control through payments I make for my insurance. Its just another service I get like well visits or mammograms. You just zero in on that for some odd reason. Its all under womens healthcare.
NRF,
Yeah, it does come back to mind. Seems you thought I should pay everyone else’s some time back, but apparently you have no such compulsion yourself? Love to send you my bill. You could consider it a charitable donation on your income tax. How many you got on your 1040?
My new insurance that Obama picked for me has wonderful womens things that aren’t worth squat for me. My wife has her own insurance, so just who is it that I’m paying for? The risky ones or is that frisky ones?
Paying for birth control through a second party that is in the business of making a profit, says you pay double or more. Not a wise choice economically speaking. Gotta pay the middle man and he needs a limo?
Last so-called “well visit” cost $700 of which medicare paid a whopping $35 and my second insurance picked up 80% of the not paid for a total of 78% with two insurances. The original paid flat 80% and didn’t require the visit. Another service I could do without. Come on down, I’ll let you drive 50 miles one-way to wait to walk on a treadmill for, as I understand it, 30 minutes, either that or you can walk on mine I have here. Better yet we can walk outside, one time around the place here is roughly 4,000+ feet or more, good exercise. No insurance involved. If you’re a klutz, I might have second thoughts on inviting you.
When it comes time that I might need something, will I have to deal with a health panel to get an aspirin? Insurance doesn’t pay for aspirin, it’s below the co-pay limit.
Told you I was considering becoming a well meaning liberal some time back. It isn’t working well, I keep having these giggling fits when I consider how foolish I would appear. That and UN-Christian at a minimum
My original medication without insurance cost $17 for a 90 day supply. (about 90 pills at that time). Last I checked with insurance it cost $526 for 9 pills. Same medication. Somehow insurance wasn’t the panacea it promised to be.
So, tell me one more time, why am I paying for everyone else? And yes, I keep insurance because one bad thing would bankrupt anyone, myself included. Rock and hard spot. At present the insurance company is laughing all the way to the bank.
Now watch someone accuse me of making a story up. Same one I’ve told over the years, strange I can remember it if I made it up.
NRF,
Paterno’s legacy may now be damaged beyond repair
Associated Press By NANCY ARMOUR | Associated Press
http://news.yahoo.com/paternos-legacy-may-now-damaged-beyond-repair-214735720–spt.html
Beyond sad. The press won’t let it go even if he is gone. Like a lot of posters like that on here. Latch onto something even if it’s rubbish and won’t let go.
Yes I do think birth control should be covered for all women. Its cheaper then paying for a kid until 18. Maybe the republican plan can be tailored to each individuals needs. Oh wait, they dont have a plan. I hope Mark reads your post here. He doesnt seem to understand how “one bad thing would bankrupt anyone”.
As far as Paterno. I watched his son Jay last night. There is still some testimony yet to come out so I am still not jumping to any conclusions on his final legacy. He admitted he should have done more, but like I said the guy is dead and perhaps time would be better spent going after the living and their crimes.
NRF,
How about a compromise, birth control for only liberals? That would solve two problems at one time. I have children in my family and you have kids? I get the impression you view children as a burden, but not your own, right? Always other peoples.
Republicans have lot of plans, Harry Reid is sitting on most of them right now. Uh, he’s a democrat by the way. Nothing going on in the Senate is there, he just might lose if he brings something up?
Hey, they’re going after Romney grandparents and that’s time well spent per them. Anything to take the heat off Obama, seems he can’t run on his record, it’s that bad.
So a businessman that knows how to turn around companies isn’t a good politician, because..??? But a community organizer (mobs?) is OK because….??? Somehow logic isn’t in either question, is it?
I agree too many perps living at present who get away with things again and again. Seems we can’t profile criminals because……they might all fall into a PC category.
China, when the communists took over, took drastic action and killed an estimated 70-80 million of its own, presumably unwanted children that had grown to be unwanted adults. So, no matter what you do, there’s always this group of people who don’t contribute, no matter how much birth control they put out. China still is increasing in population and they have draconian birth control measures. You’re absolutely right about us being bankrupt on a lot of things. Trouble is you dismiss the obvious ones. It’s always the other guy in your world. Can I send you some special needs children, they keep coming, birth control (Planned Parenthood version) or not? And then there are Americans who go to Romania and Asia to adopt children because….????
Personal responsibility is non-existent in way too many people. I’m with Mark Balzer.
If you cant pay for them they are a burden.
Romneys grandparents are the least of his problems. We will look back on this week and say this is when he lost the election.
Repealing healthcare is not a plan its a political ploy. I see the right didnt want to give small business s a break today. Just fight to keep that economy down.
Here’s a short list of the companies Obama gave YOUR money to…
First Solar (failed)…$ 4.7 Billion…Ted Turner……outsourced jobs to Germany and Malaysia
Solar Trust of America (failed)…. $ 2.1 Billion…Uwe Schmidt… ($ 5,400 Donation to Obama)
Solar Millennium (failed)…$ 2.1 Billion
LSP Energy (failed)……… $ 2 Billion
Energy Conversion Devices (failed)…. $ 2 Billion
Bright Source (failed)…… $ 1.3 Billion…..outsourced jobs to Germany and China
Solyndra (failed)…. $ 535 Million
Prologis given 1.4 Billion to buy panels from Solyndra who failed anyway
Telsa Motors…$ 465 Million….Elon Musk had $ 16 Million go straight into his pockets
Abound Solar (failed)…. $ 400 Million
Solar City (failed)…Elon Musk – Donated over $ 300,000 to the Obama Campaign
Ecotality (failed)…. $ 126 Million….CEO Don Karner
Ener1 (failed)…. $ 118 Million…AFTER Ener1 received the stimulus money it was Sold to Russian Businessman Boris Zingarevich, who has ties with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, who has “Flexibility” with Obama
SunPower (failed)……….. $ 80 Million
Beacon Power (failed)…. $ 43 Million
UniSolar (failed)…………..$ 13 Million
Evergreen Solar (failed)…. $ 5.3 Million
Azure Dynamics (failed)…. $ 1.4 Million
A123 Solar (failed)……….. $ 1 Million
Obamacare is the tip of the iceberg, things can get worse. But the private economy is fine, just ask Obama. You have a weird sense of who and what keep the economy down. Never knowing where things are going is the biggest downer.
If you can’t pay for children, don’t have them. But I have to pay for your sexual pleasure, is that yo drift?
If this is what lost him the election, america is doomed.
None of that seems to be the conversation this week. You better worry about your boy and Bain.
Yes people who cant afford every aspect of raising a child shouldnt have one. Pass that info on to your friends. I think viagra is covered by insurance.